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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:15 PM
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I don't know, but after seeing how tough Hillary can be
when it comes to fighting for a victory, and how powerful Obama's message is and how he's able to transmit it with such effectiveness...

I can't take out of my mind the idea that a ticket with them together, in no particular order, would be "the shit"- Republicans would not stand a chance. Obama takes votes away from them while Hillary rips them apart... sounds good...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:16 PM
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1. It will never happen...
Just ask Al Gore how much fun hillary is to work with in the white house.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:23 PM
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15. A ticket with Hillary and Obama is like putting Lucifer and Jesus on same ticket
It won't work!

Hillary might as well drop all pretense and just put Joe Lieberman as her running mate.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:37 PM
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26. Can't. He isn't in the party.
But people were posting that she made an anti-Semitic remark in 1974. Now, don't you feel better about her?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:16 PM
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2. Ah, no thanks.
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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:16 PM
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3. I can toast to that....
It's the only way the divisiveness can be settled affectively. :toast:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:17 PM
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4. We told you Hillary was tough and can take it.
She's used to it. I don't know about Obama though. So far he's gotten a honeymoon from the media.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:18 PM
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7. Obama brings other assets Hillary doesn't have.
Obama's appeal goes beyond party lines. Hillary lacks that.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:31 PM
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22. LOL!
Not a selling point. Got anything else?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:43 AM
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41. I'm saying nice things about both candidates.
It feels good to do so, aquart. Why don't you try it?
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:01 AM
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30. Hillary doesn't even have complete support within party lines n/t
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:32 AM
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38. Depends on your definition of "complete".
If by "complete", you mean 100%, no one has that. Favorability ratings within the Democratic Party as a whole are nearly identical for Obama, Clinton, and Edwards, all at or near 80%.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:27 AM
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34. I think that the crossover potential is grossly overestimated.
30-35% of this country still supports Bush, and many, many people still vote party lines. The overwhelming crossover vote predicted for Obama is a nice thought, but not very close to reality. I've seen little evidence otherwise other than people repeating its certitude.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:31 AM
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37. Almost everyone I know is for Obama
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 12:31 AM by sandnsea
Except a few racists, a few fundies, and a few fervent lefties for Edwards or Kucinich. No spin. Everywhere I or DH goes, people are talking about Barack Obama.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:37 AM
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39. Personal anecdotal evidence does not equate to national support.
Believing something doesn't make it true. There's little evidence in polls or otherwise to indicate that there's going to be any kind of significant crossover support from Republicans for any of our candidates.

"Talking about Obama" means little, unless those talking about him actually vote for him.

Everybody in NH was talking about Obama.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:41 AM
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40. And neither does your personal anecdotal evidence
And Hillary can only get away with crying once.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:44 AM
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42. I didn't quote any personal anecdotal evidence.
Your reference point was your personal acquaintances. Mine was national head-to-head polls and presidential approval ratings.

Different scope.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:11 AM
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43. Oh, vague "many, many people"
and others "repeating certitudes" is quoting head to head polls. Gosh, sorry, my mistake.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:19 PM
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8. I think he's learning fast.
And he came up through Chicago. That helps.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:32 PM
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23. Yes, cat, she IS definitely tough as nails. I think she scares the likes of Tweety to death.
One of the reasons I support her is that she is such a tenacious fighter. She can take, literally, anything that anyone can dish out.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:17 PM
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5. I think it's a solid ticket, either way.
I'd vote enthusiastically for that ticket, in either order.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:29 PM
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19. And you wouldn't worry the teensiest bit
That ruthless Hillary would poison Obama's tea? Or are you already seeing him second on the ticket?
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:25 AM
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33. Not worried about poisoned tea.
As I noted, I don't have a problem with it in either order.

I'm certainly not worried about poisoned tea or plane crashes or whatever other silly nonsense people feel compelled to foresee as Obama's fate. Paranoia of that magnitude does little but waste brain cells.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:17 PM
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6. A thought that crossed my mind as well...One can dream, can one?
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:20 PM
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9. You're a wise man, Katz
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:21 PM
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10. No thank you, I don't want Hillary to represent this party anymore, in any way
nt
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:39 PM
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27. Should you have said "our party" or "the party"?
hmmm.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:21 PM
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11. I think it would be a good combo Katz. They balance each other really well.
I think JE may be a factor though, before everything is said and done...
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:21 PM
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12. My hunch: they are both clever enough to see the advantages.

Dang, gonna be a long wait to find out. :kick:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:21 PM
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13. It's tough to choose
Both of them are "dream candidates" -- as is John Edwards. And if eight years of a Democratic regime in DC can end the war, restore America's esteem, cut or wipe out the debt, and fuel another round of prosperity -- this one over re-tooling to an environmentally friendlier economy -- the Republican Party is finished.

After the last 7 years, it may be finished anyway.

--p!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:22 PM
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14. She's bad news, Katz
And Bill would spend all the time fighting with Obama for the spotlight (when he wasn't patronizing him).

Obama needs to stay away.
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:24 PM
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16. it's a good ticket
and if hillary wins the nom, it's a no-brainer.

Obama helps her a lot, most importantly in patching up hard feelings with the black community.

But Hillary as VP would never happen. Hillary would find it demeaning and frankly it would completely subvert Obama's change message he campaigned on and turn off indies and republicans.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:26 PM
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17. I hear your fear.
Just because his ass is a little sore from the spanking he got today does NOT mean it's all over for him and you have to go begging for a spot on the ticket. He'll still probably win SC. The Nevada judge isn't likely to overturn the casino caucuses.

Stop panicking.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:28 PM
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18. Kennedy picked Johnson and....
they hated each other's guts. They were polar opposites in upbringing and temprament & demeanor.

worked for them though, especially since one of LBJ's allegedly favorite campaign tactics was to have full ballot boxes disappear into swampy texas lakes with few witnesses :-)

And can't forget Mayor Daley of chicago and his delivery of votes. No, not today's Daley, the old man.

Msongs
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:31 PM
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21. you know if Hillary is the nominee, I have ever confidence she will win
and if aggressive measures are used to ensure that win with 3 supreme court justices and 30 years of fascist court decisions on the line, i don't give a fuck what anyone at DU thinks of those tactics, the ends would justify the means in my mind.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:33 PM
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24. No, they don't.
What's she done that's illegal?
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:29 PM
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20. No!
She is the antithesis of everything Obama stands for. No offense, Katz, but that's a BAD, BAD idea!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:34 PM
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25. We don't need her kind of "toughness", IMO. n/t
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:44 PM
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28. Never going to happen
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riverdale Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:47 PM
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29. Chris Rock says a black man would never be named VP
because if that happened there would be about 1,000 black guys who couldn't WAIT to shoot the President.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:03 AM
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31. And when the going gets tough
the "tough" break out a staged crying jag....
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:24 AM
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32. Please no.
I need the Clintons outta here.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:28 AM
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35. He would lose all credibility as a different kind of Democrat
And we'd lose the election against anybody except the Huckster.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:30 AM
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36. I Oppose Clinton Because She Embodies All The Worst of "Tough"
I don't want someone who is militaristic to prove she's "tough" and I don't want someone who is going to flush the democratic process down the toilet for her personal ambition.

These qualities aren't "tough," they're f'n creepy.
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