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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:48 PM
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Again!?! NYT: In Defending War Vote, Clintons Contradict Record
Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton have repeatedly invoked the name of Senator Chuck Hagel, a longtime critic of the Iraq war, as they defend Mrs. Clinton’s 2002 vote to authorize the war.

In interviews and at a recent campaign event, they have said that Mr. Hagel, Republican of Nebraska, helped draft the resolution, which they said was proof that the measure was more about urging Saddam Hussein to comply with weapons inspections, instead of authorizing combat.

...

But the talking point appears to misconstrue the facts.

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In the original proposal Mr. Hagel had backed, force was authorized only to secure the destruction of Iraq’s unconventional weapons, not to enforce “all relevant” United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, which was the language in the version that ultimately passed.

It was the White House proposal, not Mr. Hagel’s, that Mrs. Clinton supported, explaining in an Oct. 10, 2002, speech on the Senate floor that it was time to tell Saddam Hussein that “this is your last chance — disarm or be disarmed.”

The repeated references to Mr. Hagel by the Clintons make it clear that they are trying to distance her from the Bush administration’s handling of Iraq, by associating her with a persistent critic of the war.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/us/politics/14checkpoint.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin


Worth reading in full to remember all the shenanigans of the time.

Here's a reminder that history repeats itself.

A former senior aide to then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice disputed Bill Clinton's statement this week that he "opposed Iraq from the beginning," saying that the former president was privately briefed by top White House officials about war planning in 2003 and that he told them he supported the invasion.

Hillary Mann Leverett, at the time the White House director of Persian Gulf affairs, said that Rice and Elliott Abrams, then National Security Council senior director for Near East and North African affairs, met with Clinton several times in the months before the March 2003 invasion to answer any questions he might have.

She said she was "shocked" and "astonished" by Clinton's remarks this week, made to voters in Iowa, because she has distinct memories of Abrams "coming back from those meetings literally glowing and boasting that 'we have Clinton's support.' "

Leverett added that the White House at the time had little concern about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's support for the war and "they discussed inviting her to various White House events as a sort of reward for her support."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112802485.html?wpisrc=rss_nation/nationalsecurity




"I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am." - Sen. Hillary Clinton's floor speech before IWR vote. (October 10, 2002)

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:54 PM
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1. I thought it was really odd that both Bill and Hillary have been
pointing to Hagel--either they're trying to pin blame on him for tricking her in some way into voting for the IWR, or they're trying to associate her with his anti-war creds, as the NYT says. Either way, I'm surprised he's been letting them use him like this for her defense.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:40 PM
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12. I Imagine That Hagel Wants His Name Invoked For Publicity
As he tests the waters for a possible third party run, maybe under Bloomberg. If Clinton is pointing to him as the voice of reason, that only adds to his credibility.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:56 PM
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2. the floor speech in total is clear - the NYT does not say Clinton opposed Hagel because it can't-its
the usual anti-Clinton MSM spin. I do like the GOP providing their version of the "facts".
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:12 PM
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7. Clinton didn't "oppose" Hagel--she is either pretending that she thought it was
HIS more-limited version of the IWR that she voted for, or that both she and Hagel were under the same mistaken impression that they were NOT voting for war thru the IWR except as a last resort AFTER UN inspections. Either way, she's not taking responsibility for her own actions, and is trying to either blame another Senator for what she did, or is trying to implicate him as being as wrong as she was. Not seeing leadership and accountability here.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:54 PM
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13. Not seeing leadership and accountability here" - that we can agree on - Obama with the 2004
reversal on Iraq that is again reversed the following year, and Hillary trusting Bush in 2002 - indeed through 2005 - mean we have two front runners with an Iraq problem (3 if we count Edwards). But there are other issues - and Edwards is the most left of the 3 - except for DK.

It should be an interesting debate tonight.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:57 PM
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3. The Clintons think the mob is too stupid to see through the lies.
In that respect, they are much like republicans.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:36 PM
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10. Sadly they fall for it every time. That why the Clintons are successful
in be elected. Perhaps, not so much in governing though.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:37 PM
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11. If Russert has even an ounce of journalism in his body,
he will ask Clinton about this tonight?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:00 PM
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4. One has to wonder at this because it is uncharacteristically lame for anyone
to dispute irrefutable evidence to the contrary, but then again the Clinton's nadir of lame election stunts increases exponentially every day.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:01 PM
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5. You know, they don't have to lie. Yet they keep doing it.
I do not understand.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:06 PM
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6. delete
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 02:07 PM by robbedvoter
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:17 PM
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8. It is time to confront the Clintons. Stop supporting war or prepared to be
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 02:17 PM by Tom Joad
disarmed and unemployed. Hillary has helped put the people of Iraq (a nation she damn well knew had nothing to do with the attack on 9/11, but why let facts get in the way of a speech)through hell for the last 5 years. and PROMISES not to withdrawal all troops for the next 4 years if despite everything, she becomes President.

Enough of this poison.

People gotta rise up and get rid of the Clintons and the Bushes and the Cheneys and all the other conspirators in this illegal, immoral, brutal war of aggression.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:30 PM
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9. Then why isn't she for impeachment?
Seriously, if you're going to take the line that "I voted to give Bush authority to attack if the inspectors and negotiations failed, and he exceeded that authority" then impeachment is the only response.

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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:00 PM
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14. she keeps avoiding the fact that she didn't read the National Intelligence Estimate
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