I put Obama's and Edwards' chances about even right now.

Obama has peaked. Iowa win was his chance to get some momentum and overtake Clinton. He failed to do that and NH was devastating. Now he's dropping in national polls and the only hope supporters cling to is an occasional state poll showing him only 12 points behind Clinton instead of 30.

At the same time all this is happening people are discovering that Obama is probably the least progressive of the three Democrats who are almost Clintonian clones of each other. Once the idea of Obama as the more progressive one wears off his progressive supporters will go to Edwards.

Some of his support is from people who like Clinton the least of the three. These people don't have a problem with Edwards so once they get bored with Obama's speeches and see that he failed to catch fire after a huge boost from Iowa they will question his electability and go to Edwards.

I expect Edwards and Obama to be even at some point soon, with Clinton leading by a comfortable margin.

I can't see how his chances are anywhere near Obama's. We don't know if Obama has peaked or not. Same for Hillary and Edwards.

Me thinks that there isn't a single thought that passeth through your brain that is not immediately posted as a thread at the DU.

You must be very lonely.

Jeez. Get a life already.

:shrug:

That's your forte

That's what we're here for, something boring to you might be important to someone else. I feel that if someone has an opinion they would like to share, no matter how trivial to some, they should share it, might be interesting to others.

The latest SC polls have Obama over Clinton with a five point lead.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_primary-234.html


The latest NV polls have Obama over Clinton with a two point lead.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nv/nevada_democratic_caucus-236.html


Granted, those are both within the margin of error, but it's just plain horse-hockey to say Obama is down in the polls.

that consistantly beats any Repub in a hypothetical Ge. I truley believe he is our best shot at putting a Dem in the White House.

Obama, not seeing it.

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I don't see the gun toting, NASCAR watching, country music loving group pulling the Hillary lever at the polls. I do support Edwards, but if Hillary is our nominee, I will enthusiastically jump on her bandwagon for the GE.

Clinton is clearly the least electable of the 3. Just saying she is the most electable doesn't make it so. Edwards is clearly the most electable and the most liberal of the major candidates. It's unfortunate that the media is doing the best they can to prevent his message from being heard.

Also I don't think Clinton's attempt to disenfranchise Latino voters in Nevada is going to help her in the future. I think many will see right through the facade of this bogus lawsuit and it will just add to Clinton's already massive amount of baggage.

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I strongly doubt that. And my biggest worry about Clinton as the nominee is just who she is. She is an extremely polarizing figure and can probably turn out the Republican base better than any of the actual Republican candidates could.

Edwards and Obama are not nearly as polarizing figures and their youth and freshness would be in stark contrast to McCain's old war-mongering creepiness. If Hillary is our nominee we should pray that the GOP nominates Romney.

"At the same time all this is happening people are discovering that Obama is probably the least progressive of the three Democrats who are almost Clintonian clones of each other. Once the idea of Obama as the more progressive one wears off his progressive supporters will go to Edwards."

Obama is certainly not the least progressive of the three. It could be argued that Edwards is more progressive than him, but certainly not Hillary. Here are a few of the issues where Obama is more progressive

1. IWR
2. Kyl-Lieberman
3. Levin
4. flag-burning
5. outsourcing/NAFTA
6. death penalty
7. DOMA

Do you have any evidence that people are "discovering" that Obama is the least progressive or is this just what you're hoping because of your distorted sense of reality?

you'd rather a person vote yes on K/L than not vote?

"It is better to be a hypocrite than to have no position at all."

So what's your point? It's campaign time.

But it's not as awful as a yes vote and still approving of Neo-Con foreign policy. If she's still being fooled by Neo-Cons, how can we trust her to do the right thing as president?

I'm an Edwards supporter so I'm not making excuses for Obama here. If he had voted no it would be much easier for me to support him. But the fact that Clinton voted YES on that neo-con trash is HIGHLY disturbing.

And he only supports the dp in rare circumstances whereas Hillary supports it across the board.

Hillary went from a huge lead in NH to a 2pt win, by the skin of her teeth, over a matter of 10 days. Her support in SC is in freefall. She pissed off a lot of people for not taking her name out of MI.

Maybe you're right. Maybe it is between Edwards and Obama, now.

Just devastating.

(and now having the luxury of being over it all, I'll vote for the dem)

I think your theory is a bunch of horse poo. Obama will likely take SC or NV, forcing the media to focus once again on his message and his successes. He's far from out of it.

Edwards, on the other hand, is looking at some pretty steep odds at pulling out a win.. and with Feb-5 favoring the monied candidates he will likely do poorly and drop just afterwards.

there are alot of PROGRESSIVE liberals out there, very disapointed in a "to the right" liberal. The facts don't lie. Edwards is by far, the most progressive of the three candidates and has supporters, who like their candidate FIGHTS for what they believe. Don't expect CONCILIATORY actions from our candidate.

Obama is leading in Nevada and SC? He won Iowa, and was leading in the NH polls before Hillary cried.

That's four states where she was in the lead before she lost it.

open can of spam, pour 1 can cola over it on microwave dish. Nuke for 2 minutes.

ambrosial troll food.