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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:26 PM
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Face it: If you get whooped by 'uncommitted' when you are the only candidate campaigning in a state,
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 09:27 PM by Freddie Stubbs
you are not a serious candidate.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:28 PM
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1. I would reply like I want to....
but it is against DU rules
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:32 PM
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2. Who campaigned in Mich.?
I thought they all vowed not to.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:34 PM
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4. Kucinich the lone Democrat visiting Michigan:
Posted by Chronicle News Service January 14, 2008 21:42PM

The lone Democratic presidential candidate campaigning in the state drew an overflow crowd to the University of Michigan campus Monday.

Revving up supporters the day before Michigan voters go the polls, Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich told the 400 to 500 people who packed a campus auditorium that they could send a send a powerful message by giving him their votes.

"This is an election no one should take for granted," Kucinich told the crowd gathered at the Kraus Natural Science Building just off the U-M Diag.

"You can change the debate in the Democratic party," Kucinich said, challenging frontrunners Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards on issues including health care, education and the war in Iraq.

more: http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle/2008/01/kucinich_the_lone_democrat_vis.html
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:34 PM
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3. Hillary is over 40,000 votes ahead.
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:36 PM
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5. She didn't campaign in MI
OP is talking about Kucinich getting beat by "Uncommitted".

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:36 PM
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6. Correct. And she did not campaign in the state. Only one candidate did:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:38 PM
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8. ..and he is sharing 30% with three other candidates
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:39 PM
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9. He currently has 4%:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:37 PM
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7. Face it: If you spin 30% of votes that would have been split with 4 other candidates vs. 68%...
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 09:38 PM by wyldwolf
... for one candidate, you truly live in a fairy tale.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:41 PM
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10. If you're going to go with anything in this primary...
It has to be the exit polls, where people were asked, "who did you WANT to vote for"...you know, if the whole thing weren't so hopelessly fucked.
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MollieBradford Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:36 AM
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24. exit polls
show that 46 percent of people would have voted for Clinton. Obama got about 32 percent and Edwards 12 percent.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:51 PM
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11. Only one candidate campaigned in the state, and he got 4%:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:25 PM
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12. ..and Clinton didn't and she got 68%
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:51 PM
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15. are you really that stupid?
So let's say we both live in MI.

You can go out and vote for your gal! I can go out and vote for uncommitted! Who is going to be more motivated!

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:55 PM
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17. ah, yes. The personal attack.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:08 AM
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19. Or you can vote for Kucinich. He campaigned there and got 4%
That's pretty pathetic.
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MollieBradford Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:38 AM
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25. so you admit that 55 percent
of people in MI are for Clinton? I'll take that.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:27 PM
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13. Uncommited was supposed to whoop HER ass...
because uncommitted are a combination of Edwards and Obama's voters.
Tremendous achievement for Hillary.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:45 PM
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14. Clinton didn't campaign in Michigan. Kucinich did.
Perhaps he should have stayed home.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:53 PM
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16. somehow I missed the fact that Dennis campaigned in Michigan...
That is what the boycott was all about...not campaigning in the state. So Dennis did what he wanted and his missing the deadline to remove his name from the ballot was planned.

The boycott was not about removing your name from the ballot.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:58 PM
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18. Yet he did campaign in Michigan:
Kucinich the lone Democrat visiting Michigan

Posted by Chronicle News Service January 14, 2008 21:42PM

The lone Democratic presidential candidate campaigning in the state drew an overflow crowd to the University of Michigan campus Monday.

Revving up supporters the day before Michigan voters go the polls, Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich told the 400 to 500 people who packed a campus auditorium that they could send a send a powerful message by giving him their votes.

"This is an election no one should take for granted," Kucinich told the crowd gathered at the Kraus Natural Science Building just off the U-M Diag.

"You can change the debate in the Democratic party," Kucinich said, challenging frontrunners Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards on issues including health care, education and the war in Iraq.

more: http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle/2008/01/kucinich_the_lone_democrat_vis.html
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:20 AM
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34. But Granholm campaigned pretty hard for her.
Michigan doesn't count, and it isn't an indicator of anything at all. You keep saying Clinton didn't campaign there, but her name was on the ballot and her supporters did campaign on her behalf.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:41 AM
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26. Really?
Nobody campaigned there besides Kucinich. Nobody spent money there. Nobody did anything there. And oh yeah, the votes won't count for anything so why bother going to vote? And I heard the weather was pretty bad today as well. I don't think or Obama or Edwards supporters would bother going out to vote in crappy weather when the vote would be meaningless anyway.

But I'm sure Clinton's supporters would rather discuss this meaningless event than her attempt to disenfanchise the Culinary Workers Union.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:26 AM
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38. So, she beat the only one to campaign there 55% to 4%?
That's a pretty impressive margin.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:17 AM
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20. well bye bye dennis and gavel...hrc more votes then what or
who was on that ballot combined....
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:33 AM
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27. And she didn't even campaign in the state
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:20 AM
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21. A winning 55% is whooped?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:47 AM
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32. Read the OP again:
Only one candidate campaigned in the state.

Here's a hint: It's the guy who got 4%.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:23 AM
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22. I agree. And if 20 counties didn't record "uncommitted" then its probably more.
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MollieBradford Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:33 AM
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23. I agree
DK should drop out.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:36 AM
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28. Michigan voters were told to protest this election and vote uncommitted
because of the sanction. There was a huge advertisment campaign--I wonder who was behind it.

The ads were suggesting to protest/ This was not a vote against Clinton. It was a vote in protest.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:42 AM
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30. And yet a majority DID vote fore Clinton and the only candidate who did campaign in the state got 4%
Clinton 328,151 55%

Uncommitted 236,723 40%

Kucinich 21,708 4%



http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#MI
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:41 AM
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29. Oh, noes
Don't tell me you guys are taking this as a victory? Please don't.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:46 AM
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31. It is a victory for Clinton and a humiliting defeat for Kucinich:
Clinton 328,151 55%

Uncommitted 236,723 40%

Kucinich 21,708 4%
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:15 AM
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33. It is no victory, Stubbs
It was a farce election. Please don't lower yourself to claiming anything else.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:21 AM
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35. Why would an upstanding guy like Kucinich campaign in MI if it were a farce?
Unless you are suggesting that Kucinich's campaign itself is a farce?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:22 AM
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36. Enjoy your day
:hi:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:25 AM
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37. Thank you. I always do
:hi:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:28 AM
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40. It's certainly no defeat - when the 2 missing candidates got 40%
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:22 AM
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43. Unless you know how much of the opponents' voter bases stayed home
because their candidates were not on the ballot, I'd say it was an unknown unknown. In fact, unless all of the candidates were on the ballot, the results are meaningless. I never called it a defeat. I wouldn't be calling it a victory, myself, and I was surprised to wake up and see it being talked about here in those terms. No victory; no defeat; just farce.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:27 AM
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39. There were 3 candidates and she got most - more than "uncomitted"
40% of the vote for Obama & Edwards - not that much of a prize...
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:46 AM
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41. She? Reread the OP. I am talking about the only candidate who CAMPAIGNED in MI
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:09 AM
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42. wow, you can finally sleep at night. the mighty kooch juggernaut has been stopped.
:puke:
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