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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:08 PM
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Vegas largest paper, which endorsed Bush in 2000 and 2004, endorses Obama...he must be a good choice
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:09 PM by antiimperialist
Kudos to Obama on this great endorsement.

2000 newspaper endorsements
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/natendorse5.html

2004 newspaper endorsements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2004
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:10 PM
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1. .
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:10 PM
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2. Tell us your opinion about the newspaper endorsement of the worst president ever (twice)
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:11 PM by antiimperialist
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:14 PM
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6. Obviously, a right-leaning board. It's great that Obama has strong appeal across the spectrum,
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:14 PM by Occam Bandage
despite his policies and his record being impeccably progressive. That bodes very well for the general election.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:18 PM
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19. So you think after getting rid of Hillary Republicans will support Obama over their favorite fascist
Naive...
then again, that's all Obama's campaign is about..."hope".
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:21 PM
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24. I suppose if you fail to see the world contains people beside DUers and Freepers...
In case you were unaware, there is a very large group of voters that are neither Republicans nor Democrats. They are called "independents," and the largest group of them are to the right of the Dems and the left of the Republicans--also known as the "center." In addition, there are such things as voters that defect because they prefer the opposing party's candidate. These are called "crossover" voters. Obama has the highest crossover appeal, and the highest appeal among centrists, in addition to having very high appeal among liberals.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:23 PM
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30. He has crossover appeal (now)...But you refuse to analyze a post-primary world n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:25 PM
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32. He has the best fav/unfav split in the party, and near-universal name recognition.
And he's proven he can go toe-to-toe with one of the best campaign teams in politics. I think he'll be fine.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:12 PM
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3. Do they customarily endorse for both the primary and general elections seperately?
If so, it could make this post fairly petty.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:12 PM
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4. So forget about their bad judgement in past elections? n/t
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:14 PM
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7. Imagine if Drudge endorses Obama. You would be the happiest man in the world :-)
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:13 PM
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5. Very sour grapes!
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:14 PM
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8. Any opinion about the paper endorsing the worst president ever (twice)? n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:15 PM
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10. Newsflash: Most *people* endorsed the worst president ever in 2004. You have to win some of them
over if you want to win the White House.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:16 PM
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14. And most senators voted for the Iraq war...yet Obama supporters slam Clinton on her vote
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:17 PM by antiimperialist
Double standard? Yes.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:19 PM
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21. Funny how, whenever caught in an inane statement,
Obama-bashers seem to fall back on, "oh, well, um Obama supporters say stupid things."

Yeah, most Senators voted for IWR. But I expect better judgement than the average Senator in my President. However, at the same time, I think that we might want to win a majority of the votes in November, including the support of moderates and centrist conservatives. Is that so hard to understand?
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:25 PM
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31. In that post you said nothing about the Las Vegas Review Journal
The point is why should we forget about the paper past terrible judgement while still remember Clinton's...
Because we are trying to figure out if this endorsement is a good sign for Obama or not.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:26 PM
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34. It's a great sign. It proves he has support among the right as well as the left.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:30 PM
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39. Support from the right when they want to get rid of Hillary
Because I don't know if you noticed, the right-wing media hates Hillary.
Will they endorse Obama over Romney, Huckabee or McCain?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:32 PM
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47. So that's why he has the highest number of Republicans planning on voting for him
in the GE? That's why he has the highest number of centrists who personally approve of him? Because they all secretly want to knock out the candidate with the demonstrably weakest appeal outside the Democratic party?

:rofl:

Ah, logic.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:37 PM
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58. Yeah, "planning" to vote for him before the Swiftboating begins , once Hillary is out..
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:38 PM by antiimperialist
...is very different. Get back to me when the right-wing and mainstream media have no Hillary to slam and have the easy choice to make: Obama vs. their corporate friend.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:41 PM
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62. Obama's favorables are 10 points higher, nationwide, than Hillary's. His unfavorables, 8 lower.
And unlike Clinton, he doesn't have twenty years of shadiness to dredge up. He's much better positioned to hold onto his independent appeal than Clinton is. Will he lose some due to attacks? Perhaps. And perhaps he'll gain some, as the non-junkies start tuning in to the race in greater numbers.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:44 PM
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70. Kerry had years of honorable war service...they turned it into crap...
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:44 PM by antiimperialist
You are underestimating the power and bias of the media. Give them a rookie or a veteran. They will make them equally vulnerable...by Swiftboating...and bias.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:15 PM
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9. no surprise they would endorse the most RW Dem running
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:15 PM
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11. Ridiculous.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:16 PM by Occam Bandage
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:17 PM
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17. Nevermind.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:20 PM by jefferson_dem
:hi:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:22 PM
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26. Thanks for deleting that snark
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:22 PM by jackson_dem
:hi:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:32 PM
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46. Actually, it was a bouquet of flowers but I figured you would want a :hi: instead.
:)
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:45 PM
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72. lol
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:46 PM by jackson_dem
You are one of my favorites here even though we disagree on some things. :)

P.S. Cool name. ;)
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:16 PM
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12. And he was just endorsed by Lamont and Kerry.
And DK asked his supporters to caucus for him in IA.

This is a mammoth bandwagon. Hop aboard.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:17 PM
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15. When lefties endorse Obama, they're "irrelevant." When righties do, it's "proof he's a bad choice."
Just silly.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:17 PM
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16. And Ben Nelson, Tim Johnson, and Al From implicitly gave his blessing to both Obama and Hillary
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:18 PM by jackson_dem
Lieberman had a big bandwagon in CT too. :eyes:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:22 PM
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25. Wow! People on the left and right like him! Sounds like a uniter to me.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:16 PM
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13. Well, I hope endorsing Obama isn't as big a mistake as endorsing bush.
They weren't very smart in 2004.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:18 PM
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18. they obviously don't have very good judgement.
:rofl:
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:19 PM
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20. Those were general election endorsements.
You are comparing general election endorsements with primary election endorsements. Not the same.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:21 PM
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23. You mean we should trust this newspaper now, but we should distrust them in November?
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:21 PM by antiimperialist
Very weird theory...
I guess their judgement improve in early winter months and deteriorates right before general elections.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:23 PM
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29. Trust? No. Take as evidence that Obama has appeal among right-wingers as well as left-wingers? Yes.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:31 PM
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44. Does it show that appeal will remain after Hillary is out of the picture? No
There will nobody to get rid off. Once that's happened, LVRJ will go back to normal.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:35 PM
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52. That's desperate thinking you're displaying.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:42 PM
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66. Empty message. Great argument!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #66
74. Your argument is "no it won't," rephrased repeatedly. No point writing pearls before swine.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:47 PM by Occam Bandage
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:48 PM
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75. That's false.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:49 PM by antiimperialist
When said something is not the case, I write about it, trying to explain it...unlike somebody. You can go to those messages and see the logic behind my claims.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:51 PM
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79. That is false.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:51 PM by Occam Bandage
Moreover, it is untrue. It is untrue because it is not logically supported; its conclusion is poorly-drawn. Additionally, you are not correct. Rather, you are wrong, and will continue to be wrong.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:55 PM
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83. You still haven't proved that I never back up my claims
Point to the posts in which I simply claimed to be right without expanding on my claim...

That's right...you are left with trying to be sarcastic.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:34 PM
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51. Well, I haven't read any endorsement, yet, so I withhold my judgment until I see their editorial.
You just come and slam it right off the bat.

Now, this endorsement doesn't surprise me. LVRJ hated the Clinton Administration, so it's no surprise they wouldn't endorse Hillary. With the earlier voting in Vegas this cycle, they're doing primary endorsements where they never have before. I can't question their judgment until I read the actual opinion. That's why they write it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:21 PM
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22. Try not to
stew yourself to pieces worrying about our guy.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:22 PM
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27. What do you think about their endorsement of Bush (twice)?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:27 PM
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35. I think it's proof they lean to the right. I like how Obama has broad appeal.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:28 PM
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37. He has appeal when it comes to them knocking Hillary out of the race
Have you noticed who right-wing media attack more and seem more eager to get rid off?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. Not paying very close attention, are you?
It's okay. We all want to think the Republicans are really afraid of our guy.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #27
92. I think you should worry
about it some more.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:22 PM
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28. Your attempt at a backhanded insult just bounced back on yo' ass, fool.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:25 PM
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33. What do you think about the newspaper endorsment of the worst president ever (twice)? n/t
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. I think its freaking immaterial. Okay?
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. so their endorsement is material only when they endorse your candidate? wow.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Your logic is ass-backward, ok? Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #41
48. Did you notice all your posts are empty? Only a headline...
Probably because it's hard to back up a losing argument.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. I'm watching the fucking debate, that's why. Better than an empty head.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. And Im watching the debate too... n/t
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:36 PM by antiimperialist
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. It's been explained repeatedly. To win in November, we need to win over some people
who (shock and horror) preferred Bush to Kerry in 2004. Obama is demonstrating that he can do that.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:39 PM
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60. ...but winning over a Hillary hater now doesn't equate winning over a GE vote
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:39 PM by antiimperialist
The goal is to knock Hillary out, because of the right-wing hatred that exists against Hillary Clinton.
this newspaper, for example, will endorse McCain or whoever wins the Republican nomination. Not doing so would be shocking if you look at their history.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. If you believe that all centrists and independents are "Hillary haters," how on Earth do you think
she has a shot in hell of winning in November?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. Look, here is your logical flaw, ok?
Republicans like hamburgers + My friend likes hamburgers = My friend is a republican.

Was that fucking simple enough for you?
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. I don't get it...explain what represents hamburgers in this analogy n/t
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:41 PM by antiimperialist
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. Fucking hell, I give up. Occam, you got enough energy left for this one?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #61
67. Ground beef, on a patty. There is often lettuce and onion added. Ketchup is popular as well.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. LOL!!!
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #67
73. That's not what represented the hamburger in the analogy
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:47 PM by antiimperialist
In an analogy, one entity taken from the Vegas endorsement would represent the hamburger. Not the food items you described.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. What you fail to see
is that hamburgers are often served alongside french fries.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #54
59. Nice edit after insulting me so my response looks pissy. You're a piece all right.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:42 PM
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65. I don't get it. How is an edit to be mocked?
Should grammar errors be left unchanged? Wow.
Oh I get it...you think I somehow edited because I...um..sorry, I don't get it. Why is the edit important again?
Please tell me in your headline, as you don't write bodies, for some reason.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. Bzzzzzzz....click. "Hello, hello"?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #65
71. Well, you removed the entire body of your message, in which
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:45 PM by Occam Bandage
you insulted Bonobo, attempted to claim your question had not been answered, rephrased it, and asked why you were wrong.

In your edit, you deleted all that...and you changed the headline. That must have been one huge fucking grammatical error to take up six lines.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #71
77. What was the insult? that's not true n/t
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #71
78. The funny thing is, I thought Hillary did very well. I've never seen her so good.
So if the OP actually was interested in winning people over, his/her approach really sucks.

BTW, I'm impressed with your clear thinking through these various threads even when we disagree. I do try to be logical and reasonable and always open to a GOOD argument.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #78
81. Disclaimer: I'm not crazy about Hillary
But I know a good endorsement (Kucinich or Kerry) vs. a bad one.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #71
80. And since insults bother you, tell me what you think of his "fucking" word n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:54 PM
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82. Probably just a "grammar error." I don't have a problem with the occasional term of abuse.
It's this bash-then-delete-then-pretend-you-never-said-it game that's "bothering" me.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #82
84. Looks like someone made up the fact that I insulted Bonobo...
I still think you can remember...try hard...even though I don't remember resorting to insults.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #84
85. I saw it. It wasn't an edit for spelling. You removed the post. Why?
THIS SPACE FILLED.
THIS SPACE FILLED.
THIS SPACE FILLED.
THIS SPACE FILLED.
THIS SPACE FILLED.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #85
86. Why ask again when I said I made a grammatical error?
Even though one theorized that I insulted you.
I asked why the edit was important, and all I hear are questions about the purpose of my edit, and allegations that I insulted you.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #86
90. Take a look at these.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4078814&mesg_id=4079395
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4078814&mesg_id=4079403

Now, "it's been explained repeatedly" and "here is your logical flaw" are not responses to a one-line "I am also watching the debate." So, it's pretty obvious to anyone that you edited for content instead of form. Given that you're still claiming you only edited for form, it's pretty obvious that you're just a liar who got caught. Why should we--or anyone--believe that you were lying when you said you only edited for grammar, but are not lying when you said you didn't insult anyone?
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #90
93. The only insult i see there is the second link, where Bonobo says "fucking debate"
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:10 PM by antiimperialist
harsh language, by the way.

What was my insult? It's very important because I don't want people to think that you lie, and you asserted that I insulted Bonobo.
A cannot know that B insulted C if A does not know what B said.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. omg, another edit!
I must have done something very, very naughty...

Or maybe I confused the "A" and "B" letters that I was using as a reference...nah, I'll go for the conspiracy theory.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #93
97. "I don't want people to think that you lie."
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Matthew 7:3, KJV.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #97
100. LOL!! Stop! It's just not fair!
It's like watching Andre the Giant beat up Herve Villachaize!
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #100
102. What a surprise! Bonobo, who along with his friend is arguing against me...
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:20 PM by antiimperialist
thinks, or pretends to think....that his friend is winning the argument...
imagine my shock! Seriously. i was expecting you to state that I was kicking your partner's ass.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. Yeah, we're totally BFF.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:24 PM by Occam Bandage
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4069479&mesg_id=4069479

I respect him as a good poster, but it's not like I'm not willing to tell him plainly if I think he's wrong, and vice-versa.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #103
104. In this thread, you are the best of BFF's...
In this thread (not another thread), it would be nonsensical for Bonobo to admit that you are winning this argument.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #104
106. Seems like he's not afraid to admit
when his opponent has a good argument, either:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4070020&mesg_id=4070020
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #106
107. No links to other threads are relevant to this one...
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:29 PM by antiimperialist
because you and him share a common goal in this thread, and since Bonobo and I were engaged in an argument, it is expected that he claimed that you were somehow "beating" his rival.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #107
109. He and I were engaged in an argument there. We had no common goal.
We treated each other respectfully, and, after exchanging our reasoning, he voluntarily suggested that I might have a strong logical backing to my argument. I replied by voluntarily conceding a possible weakness in my argument. I would say that is relevant, since it proves that both of us (but especially B) are capable of accurate judgement of our relative standings in an argument.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #109
110. That argument was certainly not about an edit...
Any argument in which Bonobo and I disagreed, while you and him agreed, be it an edit, the importance of the endorsement, McDonalds vs. Wendys, etc., would have created a "conflict of interest" for him since he would not like to praise me.
In this thread, I participated in no issue in which you and him were in disagreement.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #110
111. True. He had more class than to pull what you did.
But aside from that, wouldn't our argument over UFOs create a conflict of interest, in which he wouldn't want to praise me? I think there's more to it than just that.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #111
112. The guy who referred to a "fucking debate" has class, I agree..
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:42 PM by antiimperialist
</sarc>

I'm classy.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #90
94. Ouch, man, I appreciate it, but that was a brutal vivesection there. nt
:yourock:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. Given that your first reaction was to lie and claim it was just a "grammar error" that
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:04 PM by Occam Bandage
caused you to delete your entire post...why would I think that further discussion on this would be useful? You've already erased the evidence, and proven that you intend to deny everything.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. The question is, why did you assert it was an insult? Lying isn't good n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. So wait. You admit that it wasn't just an edit for grammar?
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #91
98. Grammar does not necessarily mean spelling
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:14 PM by antiimperialist
Changing sentence structure and word positioning is grammar. I might have changed my choice of words. Certainly not part of the insult that you can't remember. I don't remember exactly what I changed because I am in a rapid back and forth argument with you and Bonobo. It would be imposible to remember, because edits are not relevant to me. But I certainly did not insult anyone, as illustrated by the fact that you won't say what the insult was, and the fact that in no other post I have insulted anyone.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. You did not "change word positioning." You deleted your entire body.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:16 PM by Occam Bandage
As as you say, it is impossible to remember the exact wording. But moreover, it would be futile to say what I remember it as being. You have already proven you will deny everything; the flipside of that is--since you deleted the evidence--I could make up whatever I wanted and it would be no different to any outside obesrver.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #99
101. But you know what constitute an insult, therefore you should remember what I said to Bonobo
That according to you, was an insult.
Picture this exchange:

John: Jack's insult against Mary was terrible!
Peter: What did Jack say to Mary?
John: Uhh, I don't know...but I sure bet it was an insult...
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. and what exactly was the insult? fat boy? poopyhead? I didn't insult anyone n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. Bonobo is not an Obamite.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. Does he like Obama or Hillary better? n/t
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. And no one sees a problem with a right-leaning liberal?
Hmmmmm??????
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #43
53. We would, if one existed.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #43
108. isn't that an oxymoron?
right leaning liberal
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farmboy Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:33 PM
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49. Not a good endorsement for a Democrat in Nevada, I hear. Much like Newt Gingrich speaking well of a
Hillary Clinton nomination a few days ago. Some friends you don't want to have on your side. That's what Obama should have learned with McClurkin.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:36 PM
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55. What about the primary elections?
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:12 PM
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96. That's the broad-based appeal that will win us the general election
Like it or not, we need some red states, some moderates, and *gasp* some non-democrats on board to not only win, but to maintain control of Congress and get some initiatives through. It speaks well for Obama, our party, and our nation as a whole that a progressive like Obama is capable of appealing to such a broad spectrum of people.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:25 PM
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105. Who did they endorse in the primaries?
:shrug:
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