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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:51 PM
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2008 JRE supporters = Dean 2004 Supporters
Is this true of you?
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:52 PM
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1. probably
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:55 PM
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2. Bull Hockey!
WE have the faith!
neither other candidate can even win!
I'm from Missouri and trust me, this bell wether state will run red come November if Edwards is not the nominee.
that's the truth , hope it doesn't hurt.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:55 PM
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3. no
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:57 PM
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4. Nope
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:58 PM
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5. No. I was for Dean, and now I am for Obama . n/t
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:26 AM
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26. Me too!
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:59 PM
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6. Not Me
Call it a wild-assed hunch... but I don't think that, under any circumstances ever, Dean would be a willing and active participant in a hedge fund that specialized in predatory lending schemes to the poor.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:01 AM
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8. I am not a defender of Edwards generally
but i think it should be noted that 90% of fortress's business is passive/hedge investing, not activist. Whether or not JRE should have taken an advisory job with them I leave to your judgement. I work in finance and consider myself fairly progressive, so I am conflicted here.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:58 AM
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42. Are You Saying That Fortress Did Not Have A Strong Position In Predatory Lending-Based Investments
Or that they invested heavily in opportunities that revolvbed around predatory lending, but were passive?
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:01 PM
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45. I am saying that it's not their core business
and it was unlikely that JRE was aware of these positions...
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:00 AM
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7. Edwards 04- Edwards 08
Its hard to believe I'm even more invested this time around.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:05 AM
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14. He was my choice after Dean left the race
I was disappointed when he agreed to be Kerry's running mate. I was at the first rally they did together. The crowd responded much better to Edwards than they did Kerry.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:38 AM
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35. Wasn't it in North Carolina?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:02 AM
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9. Yes
Dated Dean, didn't want to marry Kerry.

I'm sticking with Edwards.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:04 AM
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10. I never really had a firm choice in '04, but I will say that Howard Dean
played no small part in helping me make the transition to the proud liberal that I am today (before that I was ideologically a Rockefeller Republican, though I always considered myself a Democrat.)
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:04 AM
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11. Yep that's me
Dean in 2004...Edwards was my 2nd choice. Edwards all the way in 2008.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:04 AM
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12. Yep. Tis me. ....I go for the potentially electable mold-breaking liberals
Actually, my beliefs are Kucinich. But he's not a good presidential candidate, in the sense of electability. So I go with the liberal candidate who is more mainstream, but is a comparatively a progressive maverick against the current centrist status quo.

I believe both Dean and Edwards could do well if they didn't have the DLC Democrats against them, and their stooges in the MSM.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:04 AM
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13. Yup!
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red2blue Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:11 AM
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15. don't think it's true but...
i would wear it proudly.
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nbsmom Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:13 AM
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16. Yes that is true in my case
I still want my country back.
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Liz7 Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:23 AM
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17. yes indeed
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:32 AM
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18. NO: Dean 2004 - Obama 2008
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:32 AM
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19. No, I was a Clarkie. nt
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:35 AM
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20. Nope. I'm for Edwards in 2008, supported Kerry in 2004.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:38 AM
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21. interesting to me.
would love to hear your POV sometime.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:40 AM
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22. Yes, that's me alright ;)
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:51 AM
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23. 2008 Hillbots = 2000 ChimpCheerleaders
Makes about as much sense.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:52 AM
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24. Absolutely true.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:24 AM
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25. Hell no.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:30 AM
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27. I was all-Edwards in '04
That was a fun time, knowing we were backing a great candidate but one who had a severe uphill battle. Very few Edwards threads in DU throughout '03. I remember counting dozens of Dean threads for every 1 for Edwards.

In '08 I switched to Mark Warner until he decided not to run. At that point I drifted back to Edwards but not with as much passion as '04. I thought he was by far our best hope vs. an incumbent in '04, but in an open race and against a better field I haven't been as enthused, partially because I knew he was destined to run 3rd.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:32 AM
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28. My candidate was a silver spoon and a rig during that primary season,
but I think it would have been Dean or Edwards, and of course it is now J.E. as the avatar says!
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MollieBradford Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:44 AM
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29. no
I was a Dean supporter and I am now supporting Clinton.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:58 AM
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30. Nope
I never supported Dean.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:02 AM
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31. Yes. I was a major Deaniac and didn't like Edwards in 2004.
I think Edwards has evolved.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:03 AM
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32. Not true of me. n/t
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dwahzon Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:01 AM
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33. No
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 08:05 AM by dwahzon
I'm an Obama supporter though no matter which Dem candidate gets the nomination, I will happily support him/her in the general election.
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Kira Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:26 AM
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34. yes!
go Edwards!
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:44 AM
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36. Clark in '04 (nt)
I do find it interesting that some of the Deanies that I sparred with in '04 are all suddenly on the same side as me this time around.
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:57 AM
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37. Nope. Voted Edwards 04 also.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:59 AM
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38. Nope. Never supported Dean.
Loved Edwards in 2004 and believe in him even more in 2008.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:02 AM
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39. Only speculation (I'm of the Kerry '04/Obama '08 variety), but on Kos:
The fact is Dean was most popular on DailyKos in '03/'04, and now Edwards is the most popular on DailyKos today. Sure, more users have come on board, and some have left, but it isn't a stretch to think the Dean -- Edwards '08 migration is real.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:28 AM
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41. that's sort of the sense i get
but it was stupid of me not to mention Edwards folks in 04 who are Edwards folks in 08. I would assume that is the largest sample of supporters.

Anyhow, thanks for the answers folks.
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ooga booga Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:27 AM
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40. No - I backed Wes Clark and wasn't impressed with Dean
Clarkies and Deaniacs were quite active in my area and very similar groups -- just backing different candidates.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:10 PM
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43. I was a Deaniac
in 04 and like John and Obama this year.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:13 PM
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44. Measuring the 2008 NH vote, NOT true that Dean 04 support goes to Edwards 08
First, I don't know much about this process of analysis and don't know if it is reliable or not. But it sure is fascinating. It shows where the 2008 votes came from in relation to 2004 voters. By this measure, which again should be taken very cautiously, it may be that online support for Edwards doesn't reflect real world support for Edwards, but it's probably as good as the OP's guess.

Caution: Those numerals are not percentages.

This regression produces a number of coefficients that represent how much support was transferred from one candidate to another. For example, if the coefficient between John Kerry and Hillary Clinton is .73, that means that for every percentage point that Kerry had in a district in 2004, Hillary tended to pick up .73 percentage points in 2008. (…)

Clinton
.73 Kerry
.66 Lieberman
.18 Clark
.12 Edwards '04
-.05 Dean

Obama
.93 Dean
.45 Clark
.38 Edwards '04
.15 Lieberman
.09 Kerry

Edwards (2008)
.37 Edwards '04
.37 Clark
.24 Kerry
.15 Lieberman
.00 Dean


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/11/12619/4641/427/434859
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:05 PM
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46. No. JE was second choice in 04, after Dean; now JE is my last choice nt
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:37 PM
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47. Yes
Guilty as charged.
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