Hillary DID campaign in MI!

My mom got MANY calls yesterday asking her to vote for Hillary. None of them were supposed to campaign in MI.

THEY ALL agreed not to. I know that the delegates were stripped, but I have also heard from numerous sources that when it comes down to it, the delegates from MI & FL will probably end up being seated.

All 5 of them.

You need to check your sources.

out of the wood work..not very interesting that that's the only way they think they can win. :wtf: she was the only one on the ballot why would she have to send robomessages? There's such a thing as too much hillary.

Guess my eyes lied to me. :wtf:

Kucinich screwed up the paper work.
Gravel hasn't been campaigning at all because he's been really sick
and Dodd isn't in it anymore; and wasn't yesterday.

as well. Besides, I was replying to another poster. Hillary never came to Michigan, Neither did Obama or Edwards. Michigan got hosed, dissed, spat on, however you wish to put it.
But to say "Hillary campaigned in Michigan is disingenuous - unless you can prove she was behind it.
You can't.

His "screwing up" sure didn't seem to stop him.

Also, Obama campaigned in Michigan too. It's even on his web site.

I'm sorry that the truth hurts so much. Maybe you should find yourself an honest candidate.

you dont' think her campaign had ANYTHING to do with it?

If you were uncommitted, you were supposed to vote for edwards, because If Kucinich won, it was "assumed" that he would seat the electorates for Obama.

It was all a hug disgrace.

"If you were uncommitted, you were supposed to vote for edwards, because If Kucinich won, it was "assumed" that he would seat the electorates for Obama."

Two supporters of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama announced today that they will produce and air campaign advertisements urging voters to cast "uncommitted" ballots in Michigan's Democratic Presidential primary on Tuesday.

U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Detroit, and Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers said they are acting because of the failure of state and national leaders of the Democratic Party to salvage a consequential primary for voters in Michigan.

"Democratic voters have been disenfranchised, indeed had their vote rendered meaningless, by not being able to vote for viable Democratic candidates because of Democratic party rules that evade reality," said Monica Conyers. "We urge Democratic party voters to cast a ballot for uncommitted if the candidate of their choice, such as Senator Barack Obama, is not on the ballot."

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080109/POLITICS01/801090443

Edwards surrogates didn't say much at all.

but it's highly doubtful. She said if they called again she was going to start screaming at them. She was getting so pissed. I couldn't quit laughing.

She's not exactly politically active. She voted for... BUSH the last two times cuz her dummy husband told her to. You know how that goes.

She's voting democratic this time... whoever it is.

Clinton campaign,they have my name,address and telephone number.I never received a phone call or mailing. I did,however see 2 Kucinich commercials the night before voting.

Or are you saying no calls were made and the poster or his mama were lying?

I really think he is worst than Cheney/Bush. He is a divider and so is his minions here on DU!

And he's not the one that half the country says they will absolutely refuse to vote for.

make the democratic party divided.

it a "personal attack" I got reamed for that earlier.

And NO, I am not delusional. I am not lying.

It is a fact. Sometimes the truth can be a hard pill to swallow.

I don't hate Hillary or her supporters here though both get on my nerves. Calling Obama worse than Cheney and bush is so over the line it's despicable.

How pathetic.

EOM

I don't hate Hillary or Edwards or any of their supporters.

Saying he's "worst than Cheney/Bush" is truly disgusting.

I believe very little on the net...

And neither does my mother. I'm sorry if you can't believe that Hillary would do such a thing. For the life of me I can't see how you'd come to that opinion.

The biggest joke is ten in cyberspace means five in real life....

I'll let folks infer from that what they want...

movement spearheaded by Conyers to tell Dems to vote "uncommitted."

Well, what are you going to do about it?

Bitch to you guys about it.

She violated the agreement and is now trying to disenfranchise her opponents' voters through litigation seeking to suppress the vote: http://www.alternet.org/story/73782

Her creed is 'by any means necessary.'

Her, Obama, Edwards all agreed. She was the only one to keep her name on the ballot.

Kucinich, unwillingly.

Dodd was the 1st to sign the 4 state pledge and was key in getting the others to sign it.

Yet Dodd felt removing names from the ballot as a tactic was wrong headed.

Your candidate in his rush to join the bandwagon of others removing their names from the ballot has alienated a key state.

...has alienated a key state." Couldn't agree with you more. Obama and Edwards were pandering to the DNC and gave the voters of Michigan short shrift. If either one of them gets the nomination they will fail to gain the support of a state they thought so LITTLE of that they felt their names were TOO GOOD TO REMAIN ON THE BALLOT.

besides hillary.... NO

You made an incorrect claim.

please, none of them were going to get any electorates out of it regardless.

And to my knowledge, they hadn't agreed to it.

Besides, Dodd is already out of the race, Gravel has been sick and off the campaign, and Kucinich just screwed up the paperwork.

Zeus forbid he would have to approve (or reject) some important piece of legislation.:evilgrin:

"And to my knowledge, they hadn't agreed to it."

That's the thing, your knowledge seems lacking. Kucinich

"Besides, Dodd is already out of the race,"

But when the paperwork was filed he was very much in the race.

"Gravel has been sick and off the campaign, and Kucinich just screwed up the paperwork."

Which doesn't matter since Kucinich said fuck it and campaigned there anyway.

Since when has Kucinich (bless his little heart) been a factor in this? If he was polling like Hillary/Obama/Edwards I would be slamming him too.

The FACT is, HIS campaign dind't call my mom all freaking day.

HILLARY'S DID!

I think its safe to say most people don't believe you.

but they CHOSE TO REMOVE THEM. It was their choice. They chose un~wisely.

she is just a political machine. win at any cost, even if it is cheating.

or a press conference they called it.

That's why you only got a nickel.

That is sweet...leaving children money in the middle of the night in exchange for a rotten tooth. A "nickel" is still a gift...and a gift is always treasured. Now if the tooth~fairy had been Obama you would have gotten a slip of paper with the word "present" written on it.:hi:

okay, that was a good one. However, and if anyone has the ACTUAL NUMBERS, his present vote was less than 1% of his total votes, AND there is a very good reason for that.

You know as well as the rest of us that there are so many horrible bills out there; you can't pass them all and you can't vote against them all. It's not like he was a no-show.

If there is something in a bill you like but equally as much that you don't, why should you vote either way. It's called being practical.

Otherwise you end up voting for things like the Iraq war and the Bankruptcy bill.

They all discouraged people from voting Uncommitted. Blanchard (the ex gov) even said if you aren't going to vote for a name on the ballot then don't vote

Not just fake ones.

I just saw on local TV. Still I'll post a few articles that show what I was talking about.

Lansing State Journal



Clinton vs. "Uncommitted" in Michigan primary


Supporters rally for Hillary Clinton in Southfield

Right out of the Camp Clinton playbook.

lol... you're my new best friend

:+

...which is also off-limits, I'm inclined to believe this.

Seems that she's willing to do whatever it takes to win, irregardless of whether it is against the rules or just in poor taste.

Just because it isn't "illegal" does't make it moral or right.

Obamatons spreading disinfo all over the place.

Here's the pledge

Four State Pledge Letter 2008
Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina
August 31, 2007

WHEREAS, over a year ago, the Democratic National Committee established a 2008 nominating calendar;

WHEREAS, this calendar honors the racial, ethnic, economic and geographic diversity of our party and our country;

WHEREAS, the DNC also honored the traditional role of retail politics early in the nominating process, to ensure that money alone will not determine our presidential nominee;

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the nominating calendar.

THEREFORE, I Bill Richardson, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as "campaigning" is defined by the rules and regulations of the DNC. It does not include activities specifically related to raising campaign resources such as fundraising events or the hiring of fundraising staff.

http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/newsroom/pressreleases?id=0252

:evilgrin:

MrDem likes to post the hit jobs, yet calls me delusional and off my meds.

and he calls you delusional? -- i think projection is another of his issues.

I must have missed that meeting...

I got no calls from Clinton's campaign. Also no calls from Uncommitted's campaign.

As far as whether or not the delegates get in, I guess it depends on whether they're breaking for or against the DNC's back-room choice. It's an interesting game.