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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:37 PM
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Poll question: Take 2: Do you have an issue with Hitler being labeled Time's Person of the year?
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 11:39 PM by hnmnf
Let me try this again, considering I screwed up the previous poll

As you know Time Magazine gives out their person of the year award out to people who they think have had a huge impact on the world. This year they gave it to Putin, and I defended it for this very reason, even though Conservatives bitched and moaned because they thought that Petraeus should get it because he is doing good things and Putin is doing bad things. They couldnt get that through their heads. So I ask you, Do you have an issue with Hilter being named Person of the year? Some of you know where Im going with this.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:43 PM
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1. Obviously the comparison Im making is to Reagan
You dont have to agree with him on policies to be able to admit that he was extremely influential and a very succesful president at advancing his message.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:46 PM
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2. My personal favorie was Comrade Stalin nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:48 PM
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3. Ugh. Couldn't you have gone with Lenin?
I at least have some respect for that guy.

I'll have to think of this before I can vote.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:06 AM
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13. Stalin had the bigger and more lasting impact on the world
plus he was an absolutely fascinating individual, the model for Big Brother in 1984, but meaner and more ruthless.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:18 AM
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16. Yeah, but at least Lenin didn't have the mass murder thing going on...n/t
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:50 PM
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4. here's the cover - Time Mag Hitler, man of the year
http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19390102,00.html

not much of ol' adolf in the pic tho, I guess even Time couldnt stomach a full face shot

Msongs
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:54 PM
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6. wow, what a gruesome illustration....
Powerful!
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:55 PM
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9. It goes to show that people knew how awful he was in 1938 and did nothing.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:53 PM
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5. Only a fucking moron who doesn't read the TIME criteria for the "award" would take issue with it.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 12:04 AM by MADem
It is given to the person who "FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE" has made the biggest impact on the world. You don't have to have made a POSITIVE impact.

Hitler got it at least twice, IIRC.

Plenty of other ASSHOLES have gotten it too.

On edit--he only made MOY once, but was on the cover several times...
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:55 PM
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8. And thats the point with Obama talking about Reagan
He didnt say anywhere that he agreed with anything Reagan said, but it is naive to think that Reagan didnt have a huge impact (good or bad).
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:08 AM
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14. I am out of the country--but if he used that "greatest" word as some are claiming,
that is PROBLEMATIC.

If he didn't use the "greatest" word, he's probably OK.

"Greatest" implies WONDERFUL. There's no ambiguity there. No one would call Hitler a great leader--he was a vicious tyrant.

I don't have access to American tee vee right now, I haven't seen the clip, and I really can't comment for or against what he said.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:11 AM
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15. He didnt say greatest.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:34 AM
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17. If he didn't infer that the guy was a great president, in the sense that
Washington or Lincoln or FDR were, he's probably OK.

Like I said, I haven't seen the 'bit' so I can't really comment on it or the context...
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:54 PM
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7. No as he was the most influential man of the 20th century.
Influence need not be positive. Influence in that he killed 50 million people in Europe. That's had an impact.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:55 PM
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10. Nice poll, Mother Teresa! n/t
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:58 PM
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11. No. Being influential is not the same as being good.
And recognizing something they did, is not the same as praising it.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:01 AM
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12. Locking..."Godwin's Law"
:evilgrin:
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