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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:47 AM
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Obama was not talking about Reagan, but instead the Mood of the Nation when Reagan was elected
Reagan was elected when the Nation was ripe for Major Change.
He was able to capitalize on this and use widespread Public Support to push his agenda.

Just because Reagan's agenda was twisted, doesn't change the fact that a special Zeitgeist was present when he was elected.

JFK and FDR were also elected in such times and were able to marshal the Public to move Mountains for their Country.

Obama wants to do the same. He wants to get break up the apathy, and get us personally involved in our Country again.

Obama's metaphor is right on.
The Times are a-changin'
People Get Ready
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:49 AM
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1. Congratulations
for understanding a simple concept. Well said.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:50 AM
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2. It won't stop the faux anger by Hillary supporters who've ignored Clintons many praises of Reagan
There "outrage" only now, after years of both Clintons praising Ronald Reagan, is phony. Phony outrage.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:07 AM
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10. A lot of people find this disgusting...
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 01:08 AM by depakid
has NOTHING to do with supporting Clinton (or any other candidate). Some of us are just getting really tired of Obama's pandering and grandiousity.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:55 AM
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3. Why don't you just go vote for
Huckabee? Same thing. You're lucky there is no law against stupidity.

What are you a PR guy who needs to put a good spin of his comments about RR? sick
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tangocash77 Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:56 AM
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4. He was talking about both. the MOOD was changed by REAGAN
Subject: Reagan
Predicate: changed the mood.

Not his exact words, but what we both think he meant.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:00 AM
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5. Exactly. Honestly, I don't see how anyone can disagree with this.
Reagan did change the mood of the country. He also changed the government in a lot of terrible ways, but that's really a seperate story.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:01 AM
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6. Obama thinks Reagan curbed the "excesses" of liberalism
What exactly was he referring to? Read what Obama thinks about Reagan in his book. pages 31-33, 36, 43, 147, 156-58, 181-82, 201, 209, 288-289, 293.
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:05 AM
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7. crickets
nice post, jd.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:06 AM
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8. Bill Clinton too must have changed the mood of the country
when he left office he had an approval rating from November 2000 to January 20th 2001 from 65 to 71%.....and folks there is not that damn many democrats to get an approval that high.....oh and reagan left at 64

from abc news
End-of Presidency Job Approval Ratings
Bill Clinton (2001) 65%
Ronald Reagan (1989) 64
Dwight Eisenhower (1961) 59
John F. Kennedy (1963) 63
George Bush (1993) 56
Gerald Ford (1977) 53
Lyndon Johnson (1969) 49
Jimmy Carter (1981) 34
Richard Nixon (1974) 24
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:06 AM
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9. He was trying to pander but did something much worse. eom
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:56 AM
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13. He did no such thing. How about actually watching the video
of what he said, instead of making a damn fool of yourself.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:16 AM
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11. And the mood of the nation
was ready to throw some hate at civil rights and social justice gains. Those were the so-called "excesses of the 60s and 70s". Reagan's optimism was an appeal to bigots. People became personally involved in order to put feminists and minorities "back in their place".

A fucking stupid legacy to invoke.

FDR moved mountains and led people to build a better American society. Reagan appealed to people's fear of minorities and women having a place at the table. Sure, there might be some clarity there, but not a whole hell of a lot of optimism.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:34 AM
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12. Sorry, but I lived through that time
and voted for Carter both times. There was no mood for change. That's a RW talking point. The RW demonized Carter, and Reagan looked harmless enough, as he was an actor. It was actually an okay time, or an actor wouldn't even have been considered. No one expected him to do much of anything. Obama is blowing smoke, and you are making excuses for him. He has more repub in him than you want to admit. But go ahead and keep the stars in your eyes, there will be plenty of people here that will say, "I told you so."

zalinda
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:05 AM
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15. Carter would have saved this country from so much hardship
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 03:06 AM by sjdnb
were it not for the powerful interests (with big$$$s) who undermind his Presidency and vision for the country. Reagan was a loser actor who could only bamboozle stupid political types enough to garner the Presidency and then, proceed, to do the bidding of anyone who grabbed onto his coattails.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:01 AM
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14. Obama: "Reagan would never achieve many of his most ambitious plans to reduce government."
Obama cites Reagan being forced to compromise with Democrats in Congress for this in his book. It is not true that Reagan was very successful in implementing his political program. He was on taxes and the military build up but not on his favorite issue of reducing the size of government. He failed miserably on social issues. Abortion, affirmative action still exist. Prayer in schools is still banned. Obama is right when he says Reagan did change the terms of the political debate for the long-term. That is not the same as being successful on policy. If Obama wanted to cite a transformative president who was successful in getting his program enacted he should have picked FDR or even LBJ.
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