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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:35 AM
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On Obama's comments about Reagan, Obama's ACLU scorecard
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 08:39 AM by usregimechange
Hey Goldwater girl Iraq war yes voting supporters:

ACLU Congressional Scorecard

Senator Barack Obama

Lifetime score: 82%
Score for 110th Congress: 80%


http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?congress=110&repId=25424&session_num=0&page=legScore


ACLU Congressional Scorecard

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton

Lifetime score: 75%
Score for 110th Congress: 67%

http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?congress=110&repId=455&session_num=0&page=legScore

That should put an end to that...






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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:39 AM
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1. She was a supporter of Goldwater at the same age that Obama was doing drugs.
Is that a fair argument to get ones point across too?
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:40 AM
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3. Yes, if you work for Karl Rove
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:05 AM
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6. Your Logic Is Flawed
The assertion embodied in your statement is that Hillary Clinton is the same person now she was at seventeen... Why is it unfair to assume, under your framework that others are the same person now they were at seventeen?

I would submit people change but in your framework or world view the only people that can change are people you like...
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:06 AM
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7. So what kind of fucked up shit was she on to support him?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:17 AM
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8. I think that argument has already been made
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:18 AM by stillcool47
Pro-Clinton BET Founder Attacks Obama, Hints At Past Drug Use
January 13, 2008 06:23 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/13/proclinton-bet-founder-a_n_81286.html

............on the other hand...Haven't heard too much about this...
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jfwiTMvbxKZec4z-ouww5y_5zfhgD8U753I80
Obama's Varied Record

By CHRISTOPHER WILLS – 6 hours ago

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) — By some measures, Barack Obama has a thin record. He's a Senate newcomer who has never worked in the White House, governed a state or run a business.

Democratic presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton points to his resume as evidence that Obama is not ready for the White House. "He was a part-time state senator for a few years, and then he came to the Senate and immediately started running for president," she says dismissively.

Obama's accomplishments are more substantial and varied than Clinton suggests. And he has a longer record in elected office than she does, as a second-term New York senator.

Obama was a community organizer and led a voter-registration effort in Chicago that added tens of thousands of people to the rolls. He was a civil rights attorney and taught at one of the nation's premier universities. He helped pass complicated measures in the Illinois legislature on the death penalty, racial profiling, health care and more. In Washington, he has worked with Republicans on nuclear proliferation, government waste and global warming, amassing a record that speaks to a fast start while lacking the heft of years of service.
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After college, Obama moved to Chicago for a low-paying job as a community organizer. He worked with poor families on the South Side to get improvements in public housing, particularly the removal of asbestos.

"Nobody else running for president has jumped off the career track for three or four years to help people," said Jerry Kellman, who first hired Obama as a community organizer.
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Obama left that job to get a law degree. Afterward, he returned to Chicago and ran Project VOTE. The organization recruited hundreds of registrars to sign up new voters, particularly within the city's black population. Registration jumped nearly 15 points between the 1992 primary and the general election.

The registration wave was credited with making Carol Moseley Braun the first black female senator and helping Bill Clinton carry Illinois in his first presidential race. It also got insiders talking about Obama as a political candidate.

Obama then spent several years focusing on the law, both as an attorney at a small firm specializing in civil rights and as a lecturer on constitutional law at the University of Chicago.

As an attorney, he was on the team that successfully sued the state of Illinois for failing to implement a federal voter-registration law. Obama also worked on case of a whistle-blower who lost her job after exposing waste and corruption in a medical research project. The whistle-blower ended up with a $5 million settlement.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/VIDEO/80115026&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:40 AM
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2. A con law professor criticisizing the Alito filibuster
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 08:40 AM by depakid
rather than getting out in front and rallying the troops to defeat that POS clued me in to what I could expect- and sure enough, he's come through exactly as I feared he would.

Sad, really. Like most folks, I had hoped for more... but I'm not so young or blind as not to have seen it coming.
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michaelwb Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:00 AM
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4. Not quite
Show's how meaningless just quoting the percentages is.

The scores are judged by 7 votes for the 110th.

Both Senators Clinton & Obama voted with the ACLU exactly four times. The difference lay in the fact that they don't penalize for not voting. He didn't vote on issues important to the ACLU twice as much as Clinton.

He missed two of the seven votes thus they rank him for 4/5 votes (thus 80%) versus Clinton who didn't vote once and is rank based on 4/6 (thus 67%).

So that big percentage difference isn't so big.

If you tallied them against all the key votes they would both be 4/7 which is the same score of 57%.


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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:02 AM
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5. Obama missing important votes?
now, THAT sounds more like the Obama I know!
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:19 AM
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9. Praising Reagan is psychotic...
Buyer beware....

Anyone who spouts the RW talking point "big government of the 60's and 70's" and goes on to talk about Reagan reducing government has a nasty economic plan in store for us, no doubt.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:20 AM
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10. Now what was Reagan's score card with the ACLU?
Say that again.
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