Joseph Wilson Hits Obama on Iraq

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Joseph Wilson Hits Obama on Iraq

Posted January 15, 2008 | 07:00 PM (EST)
by Taylor Marsh



I had a very interesting conversation with Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame Wilson over the weekend on foreign policy issues. Wilson was blunt when it came to Obama on Iraq, as well as Pakistan, which you'll see below. ……….


………Hitting the last part of the interview, I ended by asking Joseph Wilson about Iraq and given that Clinton and Obama have the identical voting records in the Senate, what does he make of the political volleying, with Obama trying to make an issue out of his speech versus Clinton's vote on the Iraq war resolution. After all, Joseph Wilson was in the eye of the storm.

"Well, I think the fact that's dominated the narrative is an indication of how little people really understand the dynamics of the debate as it was going on at the time. And the people making a lot of hay over this weren't there. I was there. I was fighting the fight. I looked to the left of me. I looked to the right of me. I didn't see Barack Obama anywhere. I was out there and there is nobody who can deny that. ... I didn't talk to Edwards about it because he was a co-sponsor of that particular resolution, whereas a lot of us were trying to fight for more restrictive language. Being in the minority, you couldn't get that restrictive language at that time. So what happened the day after the bill was passed? Hillary Clinton and Robert Byrd went down and submitted another bill which further restricted, attempted to restrict the ability for the president to act. But in actual fact, those who were there are the debate will remember that the American people and the U.S. Congress were sold on this resolution not because the president wanted to go to war, because he said publicly, I do not want this resolution to go to war. I want this resolution so I can get to the United Nations and get intrusive inspections. That's what Colin Powell said. That's what the president of the United States said and that's what they got. They got a resolution that permitted the president of the United States to go to the U.N. and get intrusive inspections. The great betrayal of the America people is not in that Resolution. It was in the president not allowing the inspections to reach their natural conclusions. Her short circuited the process. That is the betrayal of the country. That is the betrayal of the Congress. That's the betrayal of the American people. That's the betrayal of the world. People who don't remember that are trying to spin this for their own particular short-term partisan interest and they should not be allowed to get away with it. The most important thing of course now, that aside, ... is what is it going to take to get out of there in a way that, one, protects our national security interests, which has been terribly compromised in the region. ... ..".......

Nice, can't wait to asee Hillary creamed in the general IF she gets the nomination.
And i am sure IF Hillary is president she will cover up for Dumbya concerning Valerie, the way bigdog did for Poppy Bush on Iran Contra.

until he called Obama on his BS.

I trust Joe and Valerie Wilson to know what they're talking about.

Anyone who supports the evil Hillary loses all their DU creds.

The Wilsons, John Lewis, Wes Clark, George McGovern, Charlie Rangel, Taylor Marsh... the list just goes on and on of people who were well respected by almost everyone at DU until they dared speak out for Hillary.

Fortunatly, DU is a pretty good barometer of exactly THE OPPOSITE of how rank & file Dems feel.

That is the most disconcerting thing about Obama. He has no problem taking the fight to any progressive in his way. But he wants to be lovey-dovey with the rethugs.

Like Obama isn't just the darlingest.
:rofl:

None of the other candidates is the "rock star" quality that Obama has. Many of his supporters don't know much about where he stands on issues or what his priorities will be as a president. Some of those are just into the excitement of the movement, others are impressed by the fact that he can generate a movement (I happen to agree with the latter motive, but one should recognize it for what it is).

John Edwards had sort of the same phenomenon last time around. This time, not as much.

Hillary Clinton is the candidate of policy wonks and others who want a grown up in the Oval Office. You could argue, and might be right, that her husband Bill still has the "rock star" effect, and to the extent that people are voting for him by voting for her, I'll cede the point.

pukes if Hillary is the nominee? Pretty disgusting. I hope the mods are paying attention.

What he said is that he will take joy in watching Hillary blow the election.

If that your claim?

from Joe Wilson? If so,I suspect he'll come out and say so.

I trust his word any day. Clintons should use this truth more often.

Congress caved. The American people knew better than to trust George Bush. Like Barack Obama said in early October, 2002, he "was not again all wars, just dumb wars."

the troops rapid capture of Saddam and "shock and awe." Most people thought that Desert Storm was a wonderful event in American military history...that is if you didn't see the film of American pilots carpet bombing RETREATING Iraqi soldiers waving white flags. I wonder if Obama supported Desert Storm? What most idealist don't realize is that America is a "warrior" nation... a bully, no doubt, but the "warrior" mentality appeals to many, many voters. Once can be against a war after it has gone badly, but not before (in the minds of most people who will be voting). But we are learning, aren't we.

were held all over the planet before this war started. Everyone wasn't sold on this war.

Do you not get tired of kissing ass?

Tool.

I personally have no idea and don't know what Taylor's angle is, but I'd be interested to know whether the OP's correct in its main point.

But Hillary was on the floor the day after the initial resolution passed, pushing for more restrictions on Bush.

IOW, Joe Wilson says Hillary is more energetic and more courageous on the Iraq issue than Obama is.

Hey, but what does he know?

not in the least interested in the common good, truth or justice.
Beware.

of his ways. He is a fighter, as is Hillary. Give me folks who know who they are and who will stand up for what they believe. Hillary can go toe to toe with any Republican on Iraq, security, economy, and anything else. Neither Edwards or Obama, by their voting record and what they say now can do this. The RW cannot accuse HC of being soft on terrorism or being part of the "blame America first" gang that the Rethugs smear the left with.

you think thats fighting terrorism?
You think the right wing is so fearsome these days?
Are you simply unaware of what they DO have on Hillary?
She has a snowballs chance when the Senator is exposed as a cuckold (or swingers wife, you call it, Im indifferent, but Americans really wont be)once AGAIN. Please deny that Bill hasnt been up to his same old tricks since leaving the Oval Office. Even with Edwards on the ticket,
they wont have much to offer against an equally pro-war, pro-occupation ticket like McCain and Guiliani.
Thats the fundamental error republican "lite" candidates make. When they give no alternative to the voters, the more genuine article seems more genuine. I thank Kathleen Brown for her pathetic attempts which gave us a second term of Pete Wilson.
Every strategem and justification that can be said for Hillary is phony as can be.
Just naked power lust, not a public servant at work here.

Obama was not in the Senate at the time he came out strongly against the Iraq War.

Was Joe asking state senators what they thought about the IWR? How many did he talk to? I'd like to see a number.

I love Joe Wilson, but he's stepping in a swamp full of triangulated Clintonian shit when he tries to stick up for Hillary on her war vote. He's on record wondering why the fucking hell anyone would have voted for that nonsense. Now Bill is probably on the horn telling him to yak it up for the Goldwater Girl.

Joe, you can do better than that.

the coronation has been disrupted. Good people are being called upon to pony up the ugly in a desperate attempt to keep the (pipe)dream alive.

what a dumb ass article, or, more precisely, misleading subject header. I guarantee you Wilson wasnt "slamming" Obama.

this is joe wilson people. i am so disappointed in the attitude of obama supporters. they make excuses daily for obama..then try to tear down in every way hillary. obama wasn't present to vote...he was gaining state senatorial experience..my advice to obama...you have along way to go.

but that does not necessarily make him the uber sage regarding choosing presidents. And Taylor Marsh!Good god, I am just going to start posting Camille Paglia just to be a snark.

Or should we call you Taylor Mush because of your gushing love for Hillary?