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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:15 PM Original message |
Trillion Dollar Tax Increase? Can anyone substantiate this Clinton's Claim against Obama. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. Why do we want to give the repukes a SS argument in the GE? nt |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Is that the answer to my question? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. I don't think SS reform |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Social security doesn't affect the deficit..... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. "trillion-dollar increase cut on hard-working Americans." |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Obama simply mispoke there |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. It is a tax cut and a tax increase at the same time..... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. It would be a tax cut on the middle class, and a tax increase on those |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. It depends on your definition of "middle class". |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. I'll grant you that people making $97,000 are still middle class in the sense that they have to |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. A lot depends on location. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Whatever "Middle Class" means, |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. You seem to be missing the obvious. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. No, you seem to be missing it.... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You do know that there is an election going, right? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Thank you for making that point..... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. No, of course not. It's tendentious political spin, and dishonest at heart |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. Clinton has rapid-fire slime machine throwing out sh*t to see if it sticks. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Yep.....they are getting desperate.... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. the audacity of hope |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. Sure sounds like what the Republicans would use against a Democrat, and it's untrue, to boot! |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. That's what saddens me about Hillary's campaign thus far..... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Technically, it's true. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Fact check is leaving out the fact that Obama is not is not going to |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Which he doesn't seem to have mentioned until after the debate. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. What's not in question is Hillary's using same playbook against a fellow Dem the R's use on all Dems |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. That, however, is not the question being asked in the OP. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. On a technicality.....or simply misleading? |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. No more misleading than significantly changing the plan the day after the debate... |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Hillary's twisting Obama's position here--she's obviously "in it to win it" at all costs! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
10. I cannot imagine what |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. No, Hillary's plan is to "Hold committee meetings".....and goes no further..... |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. Obama could come right back with a flier---Has HRC committed |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
17. This is totally confusing to me. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. But Obama is not proposing a tax increase for those making |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. "We might exempt" does not equal "not proposing." |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Well, there isn't anything concrete then...including Clinton's convenient |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I don't think either has a definite plan about the cap, do they? |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
26. Most people don't understand what needs "fixing" in Social Security....... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. I don't think that repealling Bush's tax cuts will be more beneficial in |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. "I don't think that repealling Bush's tax cuts will be more beneficial in .... |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
31. QUESTION -- a trillion dollar tax increase per what: year? decade? Where does HRC specify? nt |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Roughly $1.3 trillion over ten years |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. This assumes (a) ALL income over $97K? (b) no tax cut under $50K? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. You've got to ask the people passing out the flyers...... |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
43. The entire story makes no sense. Is Obama talking about 'not paying taxes on |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. did you read the thread? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Then it's a stupid idea. My comments were about how badly worded the OP and CBS story |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Those who see 6.2% of their check disappear |
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