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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:19 PM
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I am thinking of a hospitality worker in Las Vegas
Probably a recent newcomer to the country, probably not fluent in English and certainly too busy to follow politics and "big" issues like war and impeachment, is more concerned about job(s) and health and education.

So s/he goes to the caucus which is Iowa style - no secret ballots (is this what we want to show to new comers?). And our worker sees the leader of the union standing in one corner declaring the coronation (again) of Obama.

Can we really expect our worker to stand at a different corner supporting Clinton, or Edwards, or Kucinich?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:20 PM
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1. Funny how unions are now bad because a powerful one
endorsed Obama.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:24 PM
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3. Union bosses have always been bad. Not just Jimmy Hoffa
but others in the Teamsters and AFL-CIO.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:16 PM
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12. Absolutely hilarious nt
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:22 PM
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2. A recent newcomer to the country
would not be voting. One that has been here long enough to go through the classes and gain citizenship isn't going to let anyone force them into anything. They usually know more about how our government is suppose to be and how voting works than the average natural born citizen.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:25 PM
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4. hate to tell you, sparky, but not ALL workers in LV are "recent newcomers to the
country (redundancy, anyone). your post is, to say the least, a bit offensive, as I know a great many of those people whom you are deriding.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:25 PM
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5. Why would the union leader be there?
In order to be allowed into the caucus a worker must provide their Employer ID card/badge and sign a declaration that they could not attend their home Precinct Caucus because their work schedule falls within one hour of the designated caucus start time.

How many union leaders work second shift on a Saturday?

The union leaders will be at their home precinct caucus - no where near the Las Vegas strip area.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:57 PM
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11. I don't know. I am calling out the undemocratic process in
Nevada, as I did in Iowa where people have to stand up and be counted, instead of the democratic way of secret ballots.

Funny how we question elections in other countries where the ruling party is getting 99% of the vote, yet we cannot even demand the basic secret ballots in our own.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:27 PM
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7. Takes spunk to move to a new country and start a new life...
I don't doubt that informed immigrants will think for themselves ~ and those who aren't informed are probably not interested enough to participate.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:27 PM
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8. I am thinking of the a US citizen
Being denied a chance to vote because one candidate doesnt like the fact that their oponent got a union endorsement.

What about all the non union voters in the casinos? you want to disenfranchise them because you dont like one unions choice for endorsement?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:29 PM
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9. What about teachers in schools across Nevada?
Will you expect them to stand in a different corner? Or did it never occur to you to ask such a question of educated white people?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:33 PM
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10. Unless that recent newcomer has learned English
and taken classes and passed the test to become a citizen seven years after arrival, that newcomer has no business being in the room.

That's just the way it is. Resident aliens, no matter how legal their green cards are, can not vote.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:14 PM
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13. Yes.
Yes. The only intimidation there would be in the imagination of the worker-- unless there is additional information we're not provided with.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:43 PM
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14. What you said is dispicable...
You just said that immigrants aren't smart enough to make an informed vote.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:45 PM
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15. I read it as - "too scared to offend the boss to his face" - sounds familiar
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 10:46 PM by robbedvoter
and realistic
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