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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:53 PM
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Poll question: Clinton Supporters -- Honestly, Are You Angry At Obama Because You Thought The Nomination Was Her's?
Not that she still can't win, but are you in any way upset with Obama because you thought that Hillary "deserved" the nomination and shouldn't have had to work this hard in a primary to get it?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:55 PM
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1. No, because it still is.
:evilgrin:
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:57 PM
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2. I hope you realize that anyone who doesn't support Hillary is going to vote "Yes"...
just to mess with the poll.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:59 PM
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5. nah
what, messing with a poll on DU?

that would never happen.

:evilgrin:
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:01 PM
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12. True. True.
;)
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:58 PM
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3. Give Me Back That Tiara, Damn It!
Whatever her supporters feel about the issue, it certainly brought Clinton to tears.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:00 PM
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42. Notice how no one actually says 'hillary's inevitable;' they claim 'other people' are saying it...
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 05:00 PM by VotesForWomen
and then proceed to ridicule the alleged claim of inevitability. maybe if those ridiculing the alleged claim would STFU long enough, we could hear the actual claim being made in the first place, cuz i sure haven't heard it.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:58 PM
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4. No, it is still hers. I don't like Obama because he is basically a Republican
who has fooled people into believing he is to the left of Hillary.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:59 PM
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7. in what way is he not to the left of her
just out of curiosity.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:01 PM
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11. Social issues -glbt, womens rights, economic issues, foreign policy, judicial appointments,
energy and environment, healthcare, education and I am sure I missed some.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:08 PM
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21. really?
that's funny, because I thought their voting records were basically identical.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:11 PM
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23. foreign policy? HUH?!!!
Like voting for IWR and Kyl-Lieberman, both of which Obama opposed?

Supporting Bush's wet dreams is now LIBERAL if Hillary does it?

Hey, if you want to, like Hillary, support the Bush foreign policy blunders that is fine...then go ahead and defend them. However, don't try to say up is down and that Hillary's policy is to the left of Obama's on foreign policy.

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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:13 PM
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25. The neo-cons are flocking to Obama. He DID NOT OPPOSE Kyle-Lieberman
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 02:53 PM by jlake
He lied and did not show up....sending a statement saying he would have voted against does not cut it .... especially when he previously authored identical legislation... and you can bet your bottom dollar that had he been in the senate he would have voted yes on the IWR.

Obama wants to vastly expand the military... Hillary does not....why would we need 50,000 additional troops? Hmm.....

Edit for spelling error.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:24 PM
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29. Thank you.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:51 PM
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37. Yes he opposed Kyl Lieberman....
Reid rescheduled the vote so Obama was out of town when it occured;

Hillary voted FOR it. Is that progressive? Liberal? Or is it just Hillary-Speak: obama bad for campaigning, didn't really oppose although he said he did....snort....while Hillary voted for it all along.....hey, the emporess is naked! In spite of your smoke and mirrors, she is to the right of Obama on foreign policy;

Hillary has not opposed any of Bush's foreign policy wet dreams yet. But of course in Hillary-Speak, the fact that Obama didn't support them means that Hillary is to the left.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:53 PM
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38. Wow. So you believe Obama's 3 different lies on Kyle-L ... yet, why did
he previously author an identical bill? .... and which of "Bush's FP wet dreams" has Obama opposed WHEN IT MATTERED. WHEN HE WAS IN THE SENATE..... oh, that's right none.... and it sure is funny everyone else made it back to the K-L vote......hmmm Obama wouldn't be lying would he?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:01 PM
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she doesn't campaign with "cured" gays. nt
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:12 PM
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24. She is opposed to gay marriage
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:33 PM
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44. But not opposed to civil unions
With identically equal rights.

What is Obama's position?
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:47 PM
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36. nuclear for one
Social Security for two
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:07 PM
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18. More Orwellian crap from the Hillary Herd.....
granted they are not that far apart, but Obama is definately to the left of Hillary, the most conservative Democratic candidate since Lieberman
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:08 PM
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20. Really? How did you come to that conclusion....have you looked at their voting records, or are you
just repeating some BS you heard somewhere?

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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. so...
let's compare them.

Whip them out.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:19 PM
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27. Hillary opposes lifting the cap on social security taxes....
this would, after all, only increase the taxes on the rich. And lifting the cap would not affect the taxes of the rest of us. I am sure that makes Hillary more liberal than Obama...because in Hillary-speak, taxing the rich is taxing the middle class....and lifting the cap would hurt working class people. So, therefore, Hillary is more liberal in hillary-speak. And she is also more conservative. She is whatever you want her to be. Or better yet, whatever she wants you to think of her as....
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:32 PM
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30. Yeah, Obama fooled people into thinking he is left of Hillary..
Yep.. fooled people with that crazy voting record of his... but we all know that even though he may vote like a liberal he really is the right of GWB. :sarcasm:
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:33 PM
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31. No, he is not to the right of GWB. Just the same and to the right of Hillary -depending on the issue
yet gets credit for being "to the left of Hillary"
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:39 PM
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32. Please give me an example of what he has voted
differently than Hillary. And one or two things don't count. For your claims to make sense, he would have to vote to the right of her on 51% of the issues. Well...
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:39 PM
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33. Please give me an example of what he has voted
differently than Hillary. And one or two things don't count. For your claims to make sense, he would have to vote to the right of her on 51% of the issues. Well...
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:43 PM
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35. WTF are you talking about...how did you come up with 51%?
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:00 PM
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39. Well let's see...
you said that he is to the right of Hillary than that means that his record should show that he is to the right over MORE than he is to the left of her. That means he should be to the left of her at least 51% of the time. You can't make a claim like you did without being able to give some examples.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:59 PM
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6. This poll will prove nothing.
I never thought Hillary wouldn't have to work hard.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:00 PM
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9. so if Obama wasn't in the race
you think she'd be fighting this hard with, say, Edwards and Biden or something?
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:20 PM
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28. Absolutely.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:00 PM
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8. No, but this type of post upsets me n/t
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:40 PM
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34. This is just flamebait
designed to distract. There's a lot that going on.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:01 PM
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10. Not a supporter, so I didn't vote - but damn angry at Obama for Raygun
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:01 PM
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13. Well..............



:rofl:
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:04 PM
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14. No, I am angry at some in the Establishment who seem to
have tin ears when it comes to Politics. If they did not
realize they would create serious division in the party
and possibly in the country--they must be totally out of
touch. It is the Establishment and their power struggles
which make the Party look weak and chaotic, thus always
handing the victory to the GOP.

Why can they not get their petty fights and changes they
want made in off seasons ? Elections are no time to decide
such serious struggles.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:05 PM
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15. Quite an insulting question
And, I'm not angry at Obama. I am at many of his "supporters" here and IRL, and at the MSM. I don't care for Obama, but that's far from the same thing.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:05 PM
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16. It started with MCclurkin and culminated with Reagan.
Reagan had his Falwell Obama has his MCclurkin. I see a MO here.

Silence = death.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:06 PM
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17. No.
I simply want the strongest candidate with the strongest Democratic proposals.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:07 PM
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19. Not the person he appeared to be at the 2004 convention...
Sadly...
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adapa Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:17 PM
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26. yet's see, all the Obama voters say 'yes', all the clinton supporters say NO
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:55 PM
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40. honestly, no; and why are you angry at hillary? nt
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:03 PM
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46. I'm not angry at her
and I don't hate her. I'll vote for her if she's the nominee and I'll defend her if she's attacked by republicans.

What I don't like about her is the way she's been running against Obama. I think she's been smug and arrogant and I have a lower opinion of her now than I did when she started running.

I've met her in person twice, shook hands with her. I know she's a nice person. But I also know she's an absolutely ruthless campaigner and will do anything, ANYTHING to win. And I think she'll destroy Obama if she has to in order to secure the nomination.

I don't get that sense from Obama or Edwards. I think they'd rather run a campaign on the issues and the overreaching themes of their campaigns. I don't think they'd resort to every tactic they had to in order to win.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:56 PM
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41. Wow. Not one recommendation
What makes you magic rat?
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:10 PM
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43. I was pissed at obama early on in 07 when he played the
race card and many, many in here did not see it nor understand what he said. Here is the quote that he said in Manchester, N.H “minority candidates have ‘a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters.’” This was a laughable claim but a shrewd use of the race card to position Obama for future manipulation of the electoral process. The truth is exactly the opposite. Obama is being “seriously” considered because he is a racial curiosity. No white man with his tepid professional accomplishments would be considered as a serious candidate for president or showered with the attention Obama receives.For him to claim that the barriers are higher, that the bar is higher for him to succeed, is nonsense. It is crass racialism. Obama is a product of the very “24-hour…small-minded politics” that he decries. And he has played the race card often and as Charles Rangel said, "How race got into this thing is because Obama said ‘race,’But there is nothing that Hillary Clinton has said that baffles me. I would challenge anybody to belittle the contribution that Dr. King has made to the world, to our country, to civil rights, and the Voting Rights Act,”

This is why I never considered obama as a choice and no to john edwards because he coulf not sell his ideas in 04 and is repeating those same ideas 4 years later.




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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:13 PM
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45. no
I am not mad at Obama at all. I am at many of his supporters on here. His supporters on DU are rabid and often times rude. MOST of the attacks from the Clinton camp isn't nearly as bad as the ones coming from the DU Obama supporters. That being said, I am not mad at Obama. Obama is a great man. He is smart, thoughtful, and inspirational. I think that he will make a great president should he win. I merely prefer Hillary or Edwards instead. It doesn't meant I hate him or would not do everything I can to support him in the national.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:26 PM
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47. Of course not. That's ridiculous.
Of course, by the time I decided I was going to support Hillary, it was pretty evident that Obama was going to enter the race. So that wasn't a factor. Besides, it's not as if she was going to run uncontested in any event.
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