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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:23 PM
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Bigdog looks like a voter disenfranchiser now.
The people have won, and the DLC Clintonite voter disenfranchisers have lost.
The courts show that all that bigdog angry rhetoric is bogus!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:24 PM
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1. Beware of ANYONE trying to suppress the vote. nt
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:25 PM
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2. The courts show that undemocratic primaries will go on as voters are threatened.....
....by their work supervisors if they stand in the wrong part of the room.

One more thing.....How do you have a recount if that election, I mean caucus is suspicious?
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:26 PM
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3. Evidence please.....
Which voters are threatened?
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:34 PM
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9. Evidence? Self-evident. Your bosses and others are over ...
....in Obama's corner, glaring at you, as you attempt to move over to Hillary's corner....Get the picture?

Cannot happen, you say? I think it can and it will.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:35 PM
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11. Your critisism is of the Caucus system...
What does that have to do with the lawsuit trying to close caucus locations???
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:58 PM
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14. You started with BClinton being a voter suppressor......
...voter suppression is blatantly enforced with voters having to make a public selection in the workplace in front of their co-workers and supervisors.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:02 PM
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24. I guess you think it would be better for them not to have that chance
Why even let them vote if they won't vote for Hillary?
Do they even deserve to live?
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:17 PM
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29. Crock! You are talking to the wrong person......
I spent almost 20 years as a voting rights activist, all the while registered as an independent.

My stand on election and voting rights are the same and apply equally to any political party or to its adherents whether I agree with them or not..

Read what I state and not what you want to hear. It doesn't matter who wins the caucuses. They are the wrong way in this republic which was founded and evolved into equal voting rights for all.

I am supporting Hillary Clinton, for now. But I will not be deterred by anyone in my defense of voting rights - for everyone.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:26 PM
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32. Do you support Bill Clinton's defense of this lawsuit?
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:06 PM
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25. Your argument is full of holes...
You act like people don't regularly caucus with co-workers. Some do live near each other. Also, these caucuses are giving people the option to caucus, who would normally not get the option to caucus because they have to work. You think it is ok that Bill wants to keep voters from caucusing because the caucus system is fucked up with to begin with. Closing caucusing locations keeps people from voting...plain and simple.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:12 PM
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28. Caucus all you want. Meet down at the fish market or the local bar......
....but when you cast your vote, you do it in private, and in secret.

Caucuses, as we know them here, are violative of sacred basic principles of self-governance. Voting for leaders in the openness of such caucuses leaves the voter under the possible threat of reprisals in his workplace.

Come on ! It's not that fucking difficult to grasp!
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:41 PM
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12. And that won't happen with Hillary endorsed unions? If you don't like it, fix the caucus system.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:24 PM
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19. why would a labor boss be at a shift worker's caucus?
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 03:25 PM by Debi
Unless the labor boss is also scheduled to work at the casino on Saturday morning at noon....:eyes:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:20 PM
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30. and what makes you think it will happen as supposed to might.
Personally, I don't give a flying f who is glaring at me. Fuck em.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:29 PM
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4. This is why I don't like caucuses at all
This is why we have secret ballots now in the US.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:34 PM
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10. Oh please
:eyes:

WE don't all have secret ballots

and some of US prefer it that way
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:13 PM
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16. But Iowa DOES have secret ballots, Cougarette
The whole nation does -- we use the Australian system because of voter intimidation in the old days.

I don't like the NV lawsuit, but I also don't like the pledge card crap, either. NV isn't Iowa... and you know I'm not a Freeper.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:23 PM
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18. Look shit magnet....
Actually Iowa doesn't have secret ballots (well, the GOP does but us Democrats don't) So you DON'T like Iowa - really! x(

Pledge cards are nothing more than information gatherers - people fill them out but they don't equal votes. The caucus-goer can choose who to support at the time of the first alignment (and if necessary can change their support upon realignment). No pledge card can make them support anyone they don't want to. It's their choice.

The reason I don't like the NV lawsuit is WHEN it was filed. The people who filed it WROTE and voted on that they are now complaining are BAD! :wow: And those rules were approved by the NSDP and the Nevada Attorney General's Office AND the DNC. Little late to cry in their Corn Flakes NOW! :cry:

Anyway - we are enemies when it comes to the caucuses - I like them and you are a pissant :hi:





(oh, and I'm kidding about the pissant comment...but not the shit magnet one! :hug:)
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:00 PM
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23. of course, the Caucus system is just horrible, It's to blame for the woes of our Nation
"How do you have a recount if that election, I mean caucus is suspicious?"

That is just stupid.
In a caucus, you don't vote anonymously.
There is no chance for votes to be flipped, destroyed, or created by a machine.

Try again.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:29 PM
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5. Do you ever post anything that's not a slap at the Clintons?
Thought not.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:30 PM
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6. Just wait for the upcoming spin
In about 5 minutes the Clinton campaign will start sending surrogates claiming how proud they are of "their great victory in supporting the union movement which is what Hillary has been doing for 35 years as she prepares herself to be prepared on day one while she wasn't doing something bad during her teenage years"
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:31 PM
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7. typical negative post
wins no one over.Obama's "New politics"
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:32 PM
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8. Just what this campaign needs ...
... more "nyah, nyah!"

:eyes:

--p!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:48 PM
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13. Nevada Democratic Party..
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:59 PM
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15. The ClintonInc machine has run a disgraceful camapaign
This latest in the line of disenfranchisement efforts is just another example.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:15 PM
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17. Hey baby, you go to Vegas to gamble....he lost.
Obama and the Culinary Workers won. That's how it goes...

But he needs to step back for a bit, I heard that they've just put his legacy on life support.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:39 PM
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21. Too bad for The Big Dawg - what happens in Vegas doesn't always stay in Vegas
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:07 PM
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26. Hey. I just watched the video and now it's on CNN....uh-oh....
Tee hee. It didn't stay in Vegas.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:12 PM
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27. Told ya!
:hi:

He had so much respect from so many people BEFORE this race began.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:25 PM
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20. They should be shamed into oblivion
What they're doing to this party is disgraceful. I don't know what is wrong with the people who refuse to see it.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:55 PM
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22. I hated to see Bill do that on television yesterday. It was sad.
It was obvious the courts would throw this stupid lawsuit out.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:22 PM
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31. Yep
Shameful
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