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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:52 PM
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Obama: For such a "uniter", he seems to have a talent for vague, controversy-provoking statements
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 04:54 PM by brentspeak
Obama's MO:

1) Make vague statements designed to be interpreted in several different ways (i.e., on race, on Reagan)

2) Sit back, let the controversy develop, and have his supporters and lieutenants manufacture tortured explanations to rationalize the statements.

3) After a few days of watching all the arguing, finally emerge from his silence on the matter to offer up a "clarifying statement."

:thumbsdown:
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:53 PM
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1. I suggest that you get your head out of the spin. NT
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:54 PM
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2. Clinton - send minions out to file suit to block voters, when she doesnt' get her way.
Typical republican crap. She should ask Liberman to be her running mate. A DLC match made in hell.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:55 PM
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4. I'm an Edwards supporter
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:55 PM
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3. It's only controversial for the feeble minded
and the politically motivated.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:59 PM
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10. Good statement.
:hi:
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:56 PM
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5. Supporters of Clinton and Obama
make me want to wretch these days. Either you can't see or you don't care about the damage you're doing.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:03 PM
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14. Actually the OPer is an edwards supporter
Nice try though.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:37 PM
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17. I'm well aware of that
I was speaking in the larger sense about us dems engaging in a circular firing squad. One of these fine candidates (and I will vote for any of the frontrunners without hesitation) is going go have to run in the general against a puke slime machine that will get plenty of help from the press. We're giving them all the ammunition they'll need.

But you're right, I should have included the Edwards supporters (although I must say there are fewer rabid morons on his side) in my comment.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:56 PM
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6. Apparently its his MO


If I was Hillary, 2 can play that game.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:58 PM
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7. When you try to be all things to all people....
You end up pissing off everyone. Why is it so difficult to take a clear stand on issues?
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:25 PM
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26. that seems to be the jist of it
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:09 PM by arewenotdemo
and I wonder if being biracial has anything to do with it?

:hide:

Hey, I'm still for Obama...so long as he doesn't head to AIPAC and state, "We've been in Korea for 50 years".
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:58 PM
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8. Don't bite, Obama supporters. Issues - great. Sound bites & rehashes - ignore them. n/t
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:58 PM
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9. there isn't anything 'vague' about his statements-
they just happen to be ones that don't sit well with people who are looking for ways to cut him down.

Just as there are those who look for every opportunity to knee-cap Hillary.

We are an ugly society.

And we will end up with exactly what we deserve.


:shrug:


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:46 PM
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21. That's about the size of it....
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:01 PM
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11. Obama wants to Change the Trajectory
of the country, make government "cool again", and get away from Reagan's policies that he doesn't agree with.

Oh My God. How CONTROVERSIAL!!!!

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Fed_Up_Grammy Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:02 PM
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12. Classic political rhetoric----a lot of talk but saying nothing.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:03 PM
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13. Obama is an innocent bystander in this fury of bullshit.
Clinton is twisting his words and manufacturing words to rail against, thus creating a controversy over a complete misinterpretation or a flat-out made-up issue.

Obama isn't obliged to participate in the charade if he chooses not to. It never has anything to do with him really anyway; these episodes are designed to denigrate him and drag him into the gutter with the Clintons.

But I thank you for your concern.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:24 PM
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15. Actuall he hasn't said shit about anything yet!
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:24 PM
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16. For someone talking about a "pattern"...you sure haven't provided EVEN ONE EXAMPLE!
Besides, the race issue was brought up by the Clintons. That much is obvious. Sadly, it was a lose-lose issue for Obama, and that is why Mr and Mrs Clinton raised the issue. If he didn't fight back, it was a punching bag to hurl abuse. If he does fight back, race becomes an issue--one that Obama has not wanted to raise for obvious reasons (he wants to be viewed as a candidate who will bring change, will reach out to new voters, rather than be viewed as the "black candidate"). It is a sad, sad thing when political advantage goes with those who raise spurious divisive issues. The Democratic Party is the loser. If Hillar wins the nomination, she has lost the Democratic Party a lot of African American voters in November. But getting the nomination has always been more important to Mr and Mrs Clinton than helping the Democratic Party.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:42 PM
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18. He isn't doing it on purpose. His campaign is supposed to be one in which
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 06:43 PM by McCamy Taylor
the supporters run the show and he just provides direction. That means he isn't supposed to clamp down on the free speech of his youthful, exuberant supporters, even when they get off message.

The trouble is that his supporters keep messing up his best selling point which is his message, the unity theme.

Obama needs to bite the bullet and take charge of his young, energetic, don't-want-anyone-to-tell-them-what-to-do supporters and tell them the facts of life. He will lose if they do not start acting like the supporters of the unity candidate.


This may alienate a few supporters, but the ones that count will stick with him. He is running a campaign, not a youth commune.

If he was a former minister like Huckabee or active minister like MLK Jr, this would be soooo much easier for him. They are trained in how to keep large groups of people on message.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:48 PM
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22. A president is hired to make decisions, sometimes hard and difficult decisions...
Obama has shown a past clouded with apparent non-decisions that only showed that he was awake and aware at the time he made them. He continues to do this at his present level. Who will make the hard decisions for him?

You Obama followers, use his example: When it is time to vote, just write in: Present. Then sit back and watch the endgame.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:44 PM
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19. He's a "Shapeshifter"
He's someone accustomed to telling anyone and everyone what he thinks they want to hear. It may work ok in the hothouse environment of DC, but when you're out in public, on the campaign trail, talking to the news media and getting quoted several times a day, it looks really bizarre.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:45 PM
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20. Wasn't that Clinton's tactic last week?
No offense, but each of the campaigns have dirt on their hands. Even your own. You should look into the validity of that supposed Obama quote that Edwards released today.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:59 PM
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23. He IS A NEOPHYTE.
And I think he likes to stir things up. Not really sure this will serve him in the long run though.
If I were supporting him this would have freaked me out a bit.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:01 PM
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24. So when he is vague, people scream platitudes, but when he is bold enough to
make a controversial statement, people scream that he shouldn't open his mouth... Go figure.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:20 PM
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25. It worked for his Hero, Ronald Reagan.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:48 PM
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27. You read my mind
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:26 AM
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28. Could you cite some concrete examples -- you know, documentation?
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