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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:48 PM
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Will the Edwards campaign RETRACT their lying misquote of Obama?
"When the country was so sick of a blue state president, Carter, Reagan was able to tap into it by being 100% red-state," said Obama. "Reagan knew the electorate was so sick of a blue-state president and blue-state policies, they we're willing to go 100% red. Reagan didn't mince words. He ran on a 100% red-state message. When Reagan won with a 100% red state message, Reagan had a 100% red-state mandate. Reagan knew transformation was all about mandate. Reagan ran a clear red-issue campaign. He never reached out to blue. Reagan was able to bowl over any resistance in Congress because he had a clear 100% red-state mandate. When you have a 100% red-state mandate, no one is surprised by what you do. Reagan, therefore, was able to get all the changes he wanted. Reagan was for those reasons...transformational."


The full interview is here.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/VIDEO/80115026&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews


UPDATE: There's some dispute over whether Obama actually said this quote, and I have to say I'm skeptical. It's clumsy and weird and doesn't sound like Obama at all. I'm watching the full interview now, I only listened to some of it last night. It's Edwards spokesperson Mark Kornblau who apparently put out that Obama said this, and CBS News's Aaron Lewis who wrote it into the article.

UPDATE AGAIN: Ok, done. Obama didn't say it. Kornblau and Lewis should retract what they put out. Incidentally, there's other stuff in the interview that falls along the same neoliberal interpretation of history. He talks about his opposition to the Iraq war as not rooted 'in some 1970s love-in' mentality but as part of a pragmatic sensibility.


http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3284

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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:50 PM
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1. Several years from now....
he;ll be able to say he "regrets" it. And his regret will be swallowed whole.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:54 PM
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5. Yes, after this has made its way all over the Internet
Don't we know how that works, my friend?
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:51 PM
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2. jesus thats strong stuff


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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:52 PM
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3. ah the poo keeps a flyin'! Must be election time! sad actually.
if you can't win on your own merit, dont continue to run. Im disappointed in Edwards... and he is my second choice.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:53 PM
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4. THIRD UPDATE: The Edwards campaign apologized and Lewis is updating his story.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 05:53 PM by Windy
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:56 PM
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9. Impressive.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:03 PM
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11. Very good news. n/t
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:55 PM
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6. I went to the link...

And there's a third update already.



UPDATE: There's some dispute over whether Obama actually said this quote, and I have to say I'm skeptical. It's clumsy and weird and doesn't sound like Obama at all. I'm watching the full interview now, I only listened to some of it last night. It's Edwards spokesperson Mark Kornblau who apparently put out that Obama said this, and CBS News's Aaron Lewis who wrote it into the article.

UPDATE AGAIN: Ok, done. Obama didn't say it. Kornblau and Lewis should retract what they put out. Incidentally, there's other stuff in the interview that falls along the same neoliberal interpretation of history. He talks about his opposition to the Iraq war as not rooted 'in some 1970s love-in' mentality but as part of a pragmatic sensibility.

THIRD UPDATE: The Edwards campaign apologized and Lewis is updating his story. Stuff like this happens, I'm glad it's sorted out.



I really didn't understand what this post was about, so I went to the link to try to understand. Before reading/listening, I saw the third update and thought you'd want to know.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:55 PM
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7. Thank you
I appreciate it.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:56 PM
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8. "THIRD UPDATE: The Edwards campaign apologized...
and Lewis is updating his story. Stuff like this happens."

It doesn't matter what Edwards was supposedly "responding to" anyway, because he didn't refer to Obama at all while he was talking about Reagan.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:06 PM
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23. So Edwards has more class than Obama
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:58 PM
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10. I guess that didn't take too long!
Will the Obama campaign retract their support for the homophobe they had on tour campaiging for him?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:28 PM
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15. Will the Edwards campaign retract its support of his military advisor
Admiral David Oliver, who was in charge of all those billions of taxpayer dollars that went lost from Iraq, and who they have campaigning for him?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:34 PM
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16. That's misleading at best... he was an assistant to Bremer.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 06:35 PM by redqueen
Should he apologize for hiring someone who worked for Bremer?


And I waited till I knew Edwards *had* corrected that issue in your OP before asking my question about Obama's homophobe issue. How old is that issue again?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:47 PM
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17. Edwards probably should apologize to have this guy as an official part of his campaign
Admiral Oliver commanded a nuclear submarine and two submarine groups in the Navy. He served in Baghdad as the Director of Management and Budget for the Coalition Forces.


http://johnedwards.com/news/press-releases/20070523-military-advisory-group/


Stuart Bowen is the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction. His task is to follow the paper trail - and after more than 100 investigations his work paints a grim picture of waste and mismanagement.

Mr Bowen said billions of dollars were shrink-wrapped in plastic and flown out of the US to Baghdad.

"It was $2bn a flight, and I know of at least six flights," he said.

Mr Bowen said some of the cash went to pay the salaries of thousands of "ghost employees", or Iraqi civil servants who did not actually exist.

-snip

As the planes landed with their hefty bundles of greenbacks, they became the responsibility of a man named David Oliver.

Mr Oliver was in Baghdad in the summer of 2003 as the CPA's first head of finance. He helped establish the financial framework, but resisted pressure to bring in outside auditors.

-snip

As head of finance at the time surely he must know what happened to the $8.8bn?

"I have no idea, I can't tell you whether or not the money went to the right things or didn't - nor do I actually think it is important," he said.

Yes, but the fact is that billions of dollars have disappeared without trace.

"Of their money. Billions of dollars of their money disappeared, yes I understand, I'm saying what difference does it make?"


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/business/6129612.stm


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:50 PM
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18. I don't think so.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 06:50 PM by redqueen
I don't think Edwards should apologize for having that bureaucrat on his staff any more than I think Obama should for hiring Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Those people may be incompetent or even malicious... but they aren't going around calling an entire segment of the population diseased, or in need of curing, or whatever hateful, ugly things were said by that guy.

I consider these two things apples and oranges, in other words.

Edwards corrected the situation when someone connected to his campaign stooped to lying.

Obama should do something about someone connected to his campaign being a bigot.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:55 PM
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19. I agree Obama should apologize for that
Although the bigot is not connected to his campaign so can't be disconnected.

However, I also think it is a disgrace to have as a military advisor somebody who couldn't account for $8 billion of the taxpayers' money used in the war.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:01 PM
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20. I do as well... that's a whole lot of Iraq's money that got
stolen or who knows what... it's a disgrace.

In the same vein, I think it's a disgrace that Brzezinski is given a pass for all the horrible things he's done and said. He makes that assistant to Bremer look like a boy scout, honestly.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:07 PM
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12. As someone that doesn't have a candidate, and therefore no emotional
ties to any of this - it is absolutely unbelievable how disgusting the spin has become.

I don't think I will ever be able to make up my mind hanging around DU.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:11 PM
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13. Honestly, you are probably right...
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 06:13 PM by timeforarevolution
I've always said if someone is undecided, or not sure they want to get politically involved at all, and they peruse DU during election season, they'd probably be turned off from politics altogether.

Sad but true. I would.

edit: PS - And it's only going to get worse. I'm not sure what I'm going to do from here on out to stay abreast of things yet not get sucked into the quagmire. I'm emotionally involved, not so much in a candidate but in the direction of our country, so it does affect me when this shit happens to such a degree.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:13 PM
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14. So, when does Obama apologize for some of his lies and ties?
Never, does he?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:02 PM
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21. K & R
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:06 PM
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22. He shouldn't until Obama apologizes for LYING about Edwards in Iowa and NH
The constitutional scholar actually attacked Edwards by taking a comment he made about a legal requirement out of context. I am sick of the holier than thou attitude Obamites have about Saint Obama.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:44 PM
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24. He did already. Classy guy!
:)
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