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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:10 PM
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CLINTON CAMPAIGN CALLS ENFRANCHISEMENT OF 40% LATINO UNION CAUCUS SITES IN NV "UNFAIR" - LOST CASE
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 06:35 PM by Dems Will Win


This has got to hurt Hillary among Hispanics. How she and Bill have bumbled the campaign shows how she could likely blow the GE. Let's not forget Bill Clinton decidedly came out in favor of the lawsuit, which would disenfranchise most of the Culinary Union workers, who are 40% Latino.

FROM THE LAS VEGAS GLEANER:

Statement from the Obama-wans:

"We're glad that the Nevada court upheld the Nevada Democratic Party's caucus plan which encourages voter participation. While the Clinton camp clearly believed the voices of workers should be silenced in service of their perceived political interest, they enjoyed a twenty five-point lead two months ago and have much of the party establishment in their camp. So, despite their inherent advantages we are pleased this should be a close and competitive contest Saturday," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.

UPDATED UPDATE: From the Nevada Democratic Party:

“Today, U.S. District Court Judge James Mahan, of the District of Nevada ruled in favor of the caucus process the Nevada Democratic Party established last year that maintains the right of workers and minorities to participate in the Nevada caucuses at their work sites,” State Democratic Party Chair Jill Derby said today. “We began this process to highlight the participation of westerners, minorities — including Hispanics — and labor in choosing the Democratic nominee for president and today that effort was affirmed by the courts.

“Despite the characterization of some, this process is fair to all Nevadans, union member or not, whether they work within a 2.5 mile radius of the Las Vegas Strip or will caucus at their home precincts. With 520 sites across the state, we look forward to having fair, inclusive and decisive caucuses at 11am on Saturday, January 19th with participation of a record breaking number of Democrats.”

Meantime, the Borg, after inflicting only minor damage with a light Yucca Mountain-related barrage, appeared motionless and silent in space Thursday afternoon. Suggestion to Obama and Edwards: Shields up.

YET ANOTHER UPDATE: From the Nevada State Education Association:

“The judge has ruled in the case seeking fairness in the at-large caucuses and the end result is that those caucuses will go on—a concept we agreed to as long as it was fair and open to all. Additionally, we offered a compromise in order for our affected members to be allowed to caucus at their work sites; the judge agreed it was fair and reasonable and deferred to the party. The state Democratic Party denied it,” said NSEA President Lynn Warne.

“The fact is there is a group of workers that are being treated preferentially by the state party and that runs contrary to the principles for which the Democratic Party stands. We’re disappointed but we will go on and thousands of our members will attend the caucuses on Saturday. We expect we will have an impact on what happens at those caucuses.”

UPDATE, VERY SPECIAL KUMBAYAH EDITION: A joint statement from state Democratic Party chief Jill Derby and Clark County party chairman (and zealous Clinton apologist, er, at-large caucuses critic) John Hunt:

“Democrats around Nevada agree: By participating in the January 19th precinct caucuses, we have an exciting opportunity to change the leadership in the White House and point our country and our world in a better direction. Some Democrats might have disagreed on the allocation of delegates in this caucus, but this issue is settled and we are unified in our commitment that Nevadans turn out and voice our opinions Saturday to help select our next president.”

UPDATE: SENSORS DETECT RISING ENERGY LEVELS EMANATING FROM THE BORG CRAFT EDITION: From the Clinton campaign:

"Nevadans have the opportunity to play a special role in the nominating process on Saturday, and we are thrilled with the energy and support we are seeing across the state. It is clear that Nevadans are excited about participating in this process. While we were not involved in this lawsuit, and have always said that we would play by the rules that we’re given, it has always been our hope that every Nevadan should have equal access and opportunity to participate in the caucus. Make no mistake --the current system that inhibits some shift workers from being able to participate, while allowing others to do so, would seem to benefit other campaigns. More importantly it is unfair. We also are concerned with recent news reports about voter intimidation tactics that would further discourage some Nevadans from participating on Saturday. Our strategy remains the same — we want as many people as possible to participate in the caucus, and we are going to reach out to as many Nevadans as possible in an effort to do as well as possible on Saturday. The Obama campaign has been clear in its belief that whoever wins the culinary union endorsement will win Nevada. We will leave it up to the people of Nevada to make that decision."

http://www.lasvegasgleaner.com/las_vegas_gleaner/2008/01/suit-to-stop-at.html


If you folks could recommend this and add the quotes that Bill and Hillary made about this before the decision today, that would be GREAT!

Here is Bill Clinton going ape over this, before the decision:
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3723897n
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:12 PM
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1. Her campaign deserves to go down in flames for this little anti-democratic power play alone.
:thumbsdown:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:25 PM
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3. Indeed
:grr:
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:14 PM
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23. it's the teachers union who is involved in the power play. Not hillary...
and while members of that union support her, it does not mean that it is her power play.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:16 PM
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25. “The lady told all of us: Nobody can go to the caucus unless you’re voting for Obama,”
On top of that, Angers and DeFalco said, the reps handed Antuna an Obama pledge card, telling her she had to sign it to participate in the caucus and that today was the deadline.

“The lady told all of us: Nobody can go to the caucus unless you’re voting for Obama,” Angers said. “They have no right to do what they did. This is America. You should be able to vote for who you feel like. It doesn’t matter who the union is endorsing. They can try to persuade us but it doesn’t mean people have to vote for them.”
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/early-line/2008/jan/16/incident-paris-las-vegas/

Obama's camp quickly trotted out a Union Head supporter of theirs who blamed the intimidation on "broken English". I'm sure certian DU members will call the excuse given by the Obama surrogate as "debunking" what Angers reported. Blaming an intimidated Union member's language skills isn't "debunking," it's disgusting.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:43 PM
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36. No question
:thumbsdown:

Classy.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:25 PM
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2. Oh boo effing hoo, Hillbots!
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:26 PM
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4. The people won.
Good for the culinary workers, good for America.

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:36 PM
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6. I just hope the Hispanic voter takes note of what just happened in NV!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:28 PM
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5. The Hillary folks are out here in drove, and they ain't gonna comment
about this thread.

Obama folks are so tired of the twisted Reagan crap that many are taking a holiday from Democratic Clinton Underground.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:40 PM
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7. hmmm
Isn't the answer to get the teachers more access, then the Culinary workers less access?

That's what the Democratic Party should stand for.

More people voting, not less people.

The Democratic Party doesn't find people that it thinks opposes it's candidates, and find ways to disenfranchise them, and
cage them, and not allow them to vote.

That's the Republicans.
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NJObamaWoman Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:47 PM
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10. Yeah the Reagan stuff has gone a little too far.
I wish people on DU would talk about the issues. Thats one of the reasons why I signed up a few days ago.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:54 PM
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11. Oh, let me.
You've all distorted the picture nicely but nobody expects anything else from the Obama camp.

You're happy with the results of a legal action? Good. You should be. It favors you.

Four years from now, eight years, twelve years...longer perhaps than some of you have been alive...this uneven proportion will NOT favor you...and you will scream and rant and rave at the unfairness. Oh well. It's not today. Rejoice.

Meanwhile, a legal precedent linking caucusing to employment and, possibly voting by extension, has been set...and we're all going to have to live with it, because now other unions and other jobs have the right to sue for similar treatment. Gonna be fun straightening out this mess.

The teachers' union lost and I don't hear you cry for them...or their lost rights. Why should you? It doesn't favor you. You get more votes from the Culinary Union. Please, don't pretend it's the right to vote or caucus you care about. What you care about is votes for Obama. Everything and everyone else can go hang.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:05 PM
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15. Let me set you straight...
ALL of the candidates agreed to the set-up until OBAMA got the CWU which HILLARY expected to get. Suddenly, they had a problem with it. Why is it that the Clintons had no complaints when they thought the advantage would be THEIRS? Shameful.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:17 PM
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27. What you said.
Victories today that turn into losses tomorrow are not victories at all.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:44 PM
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8. Want cheese with your whine?
Good for the judge. It was the right decision.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:46 PM
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9. umm, I think the OP agrees it was the right decision.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:57 PM
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12. I guess I wasn't clear...
I was addressing my remarks to the Clinton supporters who brought the lawsuit.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:00 PM
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14. I was worried because the judge had charges of corruption agin him
but he must be honest after all!
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:58 PM
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13. Giving preferential treatment to a specific group of voters is undemocratic.
...while other voters who cannot physically attend or engage in such an arduous process are simply ignored.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:07 PM
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16. Except it wasn't a problem until the union endorsed Obama.
THEN it became a problem.

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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:10 PM
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20. it might still be undemocratic no matter who it benefited.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:14 PM by annie1
the teachers union wouldn't have sued, but it still may have been undemocratic.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:17 PM
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26. How is providing access to voting locations undemocratic?
:crazy:
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:32 PM
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32. i don't know the formula, but apparently...
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:35 PM by annie1
it gives the union workers a much bigger advantage based on how the votes are weighed and calculated than if everyone were to vote at their local caucus.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:40 PM
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34. It provides them with access to their franchise. That's it.
If the teachers union really had a problem, they would have spoken up before the deal was cut.

The Clinton campaign just used them for a beard once the Culinary union endorsed Obama.

Maybe this is just politics but, it's really degrading all around.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:08 PM
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17. Why did all the candidates, as well as everyone else, agree with the way it was until Obama got the
CWU endorsement? Can you explain that?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:12 PM
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21. we all know the teachers union wouldn't have minded if it benefited...
their favored candidate, but it does not mean it would have been democratic.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:23 PM
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29. Then why didn't they push for this lawsuit before Obama got the CWU endorsement? n/t
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:27 PM
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31. i'm saying, it's clear the teachers union would rather have hillary...
which means that their *initial* decision would be to allow the caucus to lean possibly undemocratically toward clinton. and while it may be clear that once the endorsment leans toward a different candidate they changed their minds, it does not mean that the current set up is democratic.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:40 PM
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35. So since Hillary didn't get the CWU endorsement they want to DENY so many people the right to caucus
I don't see how that's good for democracy.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:10 PM
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19. So the way to promote "democracy" is by denying the right to caucus to some since others don't
have a polling place *as* nearby, after the rules were agreed-upon by all parties?
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:18 PM
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28. They do what voters all over the country do - take time off work and go vote...
Better yet, do away with such a discriminatory practice as caucuses where physicality is the main element of the process.

Fourteenth Amendment - everybody is treated the same - no matter which candidate you are supporting.

That federal judge needs a refresher course in constitutional law.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:24 PM
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37. Yeah, holding a caucus on Saturday so that workers who work
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 08:25 PM by Skwmom
on weekends can't attend is a real fair process.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:09 PM
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18. This is fantastic news.
:bounce: :party:

This was nothing but a sour grapes lawsuit from the beginning.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:13 PM
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22. will someone donate a keyboard to Dems Will Win?
his caps lock button is broke.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:15 PM
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24. YES THANK YOU - I NEED A NEW KEYBOARD WHERE THE LOWERCASE WORKS!!!!!!!
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:25 PM
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30. Where in there does it say Hillary said anything? This is about delegate counts
I just read the whole thing. Your quotes are from Obama people.

And Bill Clinton actually explains it perfectly in that video. Should it be easier for some people to vote than others? And should one persons vote count as 5x more than someone who lives in the desert than someone who lives in Las Vegas in terms of delegate count.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:38 PM
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33. THis is from the Clinton Campaign directly - you missed it I guess
Make no mistake -- the current system ... is unfair
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:58 PM
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40. Where, exactly, does the 5x figure come from?
And should those who aren't working on Saturday be at an advantage over those who do have to work?
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:29 PM
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38. Just because you don't like an idea that hurts you doesn't mean
you were behind it. I do believe that Hispanic voters are much more savvy than that. Of course, a caucus is a lot different from a private vote. And with union folks hanging around, how would you vote?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:56 PM
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39. Sounds like the strip workers would have been disenfranchised...
... had the case not been decided in their favor. The caucuses are on a Saturday, when many workers have the day off? Sounds like Billo may have been stretching the truth a bit. Surprise.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:31 AM
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41. Hispanics would have been disenfranchised
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:11 PM
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42. 100% of strip workers are Hispanic? n/t
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