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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:56 PM
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If Obama or Clinton are the nominee, will those who cannot support either be obligated to leave DU?
I am just wondering because it is still possible to support many Dems and even continue to be a Dem without actively supporting a particular candidate.My feelings have jumped all over the place on the issue of what I would do should what I think is this disaster issue to occur.I think I have reached the point where I could force myself to vote for Hillary, though not with any enthusiasm, mind you, but Obama is out of the question for me.It used to be the reversed situation, but after reading Obama's books and listening to recent statements, I don't think that is a possibility. And I can really emphasize with those who will not be able to pull the lever for either.I want to be clear that I think there is a difference between "not supporting" and "not voting for" as well as advocating for another party's choice.I understand that supporting anything other than a Democrat will not be tolerated and nor do I think it ought to be.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:58 PM
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1. Democrats support the Democratic candidate.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:00 PM
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5. But what is the definition of "support". ? Is it support to not campaign against them?
Is it support to reluctantly vote for them as the lesser of two evils?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:58 PM
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2. You can stay here so long as you do not actively promote...
non-Democratic candidates.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:59 PM
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3. I won't vote for Hil
I'll leave if Hil is the nom. It won't be hard. I just can't bring myself to vote for her.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:01 PM
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7. Seeing how you only dropped in a few days ago, I believe you.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:01 PM by robbedvoter
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:02 PM
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9. I will N.E.V.E.R vote for Obama
never..
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:13 PM
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18. Here's your cookie.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:03 PM
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11. Good riddance, I say
the party doesnt hystericals.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:08 PM
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13. ???? I think you need a verb!
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:14 PM
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19. oh..iron my shirt..shrill catty shrew..
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:09 PM
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25. what a stupid thing to do. Our civil rights hang in the balance
and you are going to throw a tantrum and allow a republican to continue to send our kids to die in Iraq and raid our Treasury while our civil rights swirl down the toilet.

And why? Because you allowed the republicans to re-define a bright, progressive Senator who has worked for children and familys her whole life and who has given her career to helping our society.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:59 PM
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4. I suppose they'll be ok as long as they aren't pitching for another party's candidate.
Say Bloomburg or whoever runs for the ghost of the Greens this year.

Probably such people should follow the "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything" theory.

And it would be ok in any circumstances to critique campaign strategy and suggest alternative approaches, AFAIK.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:00 PM
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6. Yeah, just keep a low profile.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:02 PM
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8. When Kerry was nominated, those who persisted in going after him were gagged by the admins
or they were banned if they couldn't stop. I am confident the same policy will hold this cycle. If someone is so hysterical over a candidate as to abandon the party because of some rhetoric that they cant let go of, good riddance.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:10 PM
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16. Nothing was mentioned about abandoning the Party. I think you can stay Dem but not "actively"
support a nominee you disapprove of.I suppose one could also do that on DU, as long as you don't attack the nominee.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:10 PM
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26. it's not Presidential Underground
It's Democratic Underground. Keep your eye on the ball.
If you cant figure out other ways to make america more progressive than attacking the dem nominee, take a look in the mirror.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:03 PM
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10. Not forced to leave no. Can't campaign against Dem candidate, but can post
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:04 PM by uppityperson
and discuss, lots of other things and ways. There are other Democratic people than just president.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:04 PM
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12. I am a lifelong Democrat - DEMOCRAT!
I support DEMOCRATS. However, that can be done on a local level. One can always write in a candidate or not vote in a particular race at all.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:08 PM
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14. Only if you insist on attacking them or advocating not voting for them
here on DU. If you are able to restrain yourself, then I wouldn't think there would be a problem.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:12 PM
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17. I agree. I think it is the "attacking" or advocating others not to vote that is a problem.
I just hope people stay and work for other candidates if this should come to pass.Our down line is important too!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:09 PM
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15. You should do what you want.
That's why you were given your own mind.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:15 PM
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20. God gave you free will...although I suggest a prayerful decision. nt.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:16 PM
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21. I think the General Election is by secret ballot
If you vote Repub, or for Nader, or Bloomberg, then you'd probably want to not shout about it here.

Especially if a Repub wins by less than a "nader margin". Then this place will explode.

We'll be quarrying marble until November.
:rofl:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:25 PM
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22. When and if it becomes apparent that the National Party no longer
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:27 PM by Horse with no Name
represents my interests, I will NOT leave the party. Instead, I will continue to work at the local level for local changes...things that benefit me directly.
I cannot in good conscience support what is NOT right and what is NOT good for America or what promises to leave America in the same mess it is already in.
Populism WILL come back (I am hoping the Democrats throw out the Demagogues)...but it may take a depression to make people realize that supporting a Presidential candidate like he is running for top American Idol is not in their best interest.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:30 PM
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23. No. Read the rules. It's clear. You cannot campaign for an opponent but your vote is your own. DU
doesn't own your vote as a requirement of membership and of posting here.

That would be silly. How would they know?

I'm voting for Kucinich, whether he wins the nomination or not. I can't vote for war, I can't vote for Empire. Assuming Kucincih isn't the nominee, I won't be posting to advocate writing in Kucinich.

Reading the rules is always a good place to start, saracat.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:06 PM
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24. You are so right. I was hoping to prompt discussion.
I am mostly afraid, rules or not, many will be made to feel unwelcome.I am hoping that is not the case.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:41 PM
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27. Those on DU who do not support the democratic candidate are, in
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:44 PM by MasonJar
my opinion, not welcome because we have just had 7, going on 8 years, of the most egregiously awful governance in the history of the civilized ( and uncivilized) world. The damage perpetrated on the innocent countries of Iraq and Afghanistan and the torture of fellow citizens of the world and the incarceration of an unimaginable number of people without a charge or a lawyer or a trial and the secret, illegal spying on citizens by their own government and the abandonment of the people of New Orleans and the aggrandizement of the political cronies (based on no-bid contracts) of Bush and Cheney and the lies and fabrications and the secrecy and the theft of elections from statesmen of the stature of Al Gore and John Kerry through equivocation and subterfuge and the ...do I need to go on? I get sick when I see DUers demeaning our fine candidates, but when I hear that they will not even vote for the dem. in the general election, the dem selected by the majority of their fellow dems, with probably at least two Supreme Court nominations in the near future, I get angry. No one who will not vote for the candidate that the majority of democrats choose as their presidential nominee should be allowed on DU...hell, such a loser should be expunged from the democratic roster. I am sorry to be so frank, but this a fight to the death with Karl Rove and his officious, malicious and egregious cohorts of evil.
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