Clinton Channeling Bush?

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/message-guru-by-digby-well-sadly-it.html
From TNR about a Clinton mailer

And Digby comment.

channeling, but the dirty politics and the 'win at any cost' attitude. Can't do it.

And actively enabling his agenda.

Take it back.

Can't you see them together, building sand castles on the beach and Poppy patting Billy on the head?

Nope... only the evil Obama does that.

Clinton never does anything like this... nor does she engage in voter suppression tactics or race baiting.

Yes, you've caught the OP.

is honest enough to look at both sides. I know honesty is a value difficult to understand for some people.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14266.html

The Clinton campaign hits the worst conservative frame yet
Posted January 17th, 2008 at 11:12 am

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Is it hypocritical? Shamelessly. Clinton has publicly conceded that she’s open to the exact same policy proposal Obama has made. If she’s attacking his willingness to raise the payroll cap, she’s attacking her own willingness to raise the payroll cap.

And does it help or hurt the party’s broader message? It undoubtedly hurts. Clinton’s mailing could have just as easily been written by the Republican National Committee or Grover Norquist. Clinton is using anti-tax rhetoric that Democrats usually reject as nonsense, not embrace as fodder for attacks against other Democrats. Talk about Dems using conservative frames, this is Exhibit A.

Obviously, politics ain’t beanbag. Clinton, Obama, and Edwards are going to take rhetorical shots at one another, and some of them are going to be cheaper than others. I get it.

But this mailing is really offensive from a Democratic perspective. When the Clinton campaign used it in New Hampshire, I’d hoped it was borne of desperation and wouldn’t be repeated. That’s it’s now become a standard arrow in Clinton’s quiver is deeply disappointing.

Nothing as cynical as that has happened here in GDP ever. :D

The point is that Hillary turns off enough Republicans and Independents (who are absolutely disgusted with this presidency) to not vote for her.

If Edwards drops out, Edward's supporters should back Obama. If Obama likewise, Obama's supporters should back Edwards.

Obama's my first choice, followed by Edwards. I am NOT advocating Edwards to drop out of the race, I am merely suggesting that if he did his supporters should back Obama. I will support Edwards if Obama drops out.

My mum (who became a citizen in 2000) told me she WILL NOT vote for Hillary if she gets the nom. I had considered holding my nose and having a boiling hot shower to cleanse myself after voting for her if she got the nom. The more I watch this election, the more I agree with my mum.

Really... she is one of the most divisive candidates in this race. She made it about gender when she weeped before New Hampshire, she made it about race when she said it took a president (LBJ) to pass the Civil Rights Act (never mind the achievements of MLK, Jr., Rosa Parks, etc), what's next? It's her that keeps bringing these issues up and trying to blame Obama. She is trying to hurt Obama (look at the teachers union on Nevada versus the Culinary workers).

I agree with Obama big time on the Reagan issue. Reagan, while not a very good president (probably an understatement!), was very charismatic. That's how he got elected and that's why Republicans to this day think of St. Ronnie of Ray-gun. And they're bringing out all these dried old farts while we've got two hot young things on our side.

It's pandering to Fucking Nazis. Now I'm not saying that all people that voted for the Republicans are Fascist, but the people they vote for shore are. Mean wile Obama is talking about the excess of the 60's and 70's. Throwing gay people, and boomer's under the buss, telling us that all the fights Democrats have been supporting since Nixon trying to bring some sanity back to our government were petty, and with one stupid Pandering comment, not to mention all the ones in his book, Obama has shown his true side. Not to mention this, and don't give me that Obama has apologized shit this is disgusting.

There's plenty of former Republicans who now vote Democratic and heavily back Democrats. So are you saying that someone like Kos (of DailyKos) is a fascist because he supported Reagan in the 1980s? That happened 20 years ago, people have changed BIG time (Look at David Brock as well).

Now there are Republicans who now are anti-Bush, even though they voted for him twice. However, could you see an ex-Republican-who-voted-Bush-twice voting for Hillary? If McCain gets the nomination, I would expect those ex-Republicans shun Hillary and vote for him instead (after all he's the guy that Bush slammed in 2000). Which isn't a good thing for her.

I really don't get your ramblings here... all I can see is Obama is a bridge for all voters and that's very good for him. The cartoon really does hit the nail on the head, I don't see how that is a disagreement to Obama or to my statement.

Reagan was indeed charismatic but he was a shitty president! But his charisma did fool voters. The Republicans did the same with Bush... it was really unfortunate that Gore was portrayed as "stiff" throughout his VP term and even in his early days as Dem Nominee. Bush? They said he was a guy to have a beer with. Right there, they portrayed Bush as "charismatic" and Gore as not. They did the same for Kerry even though we knew Bush was a dumbass by 2004. They used his dumbassery this time, as the "simple" voters went out for him in 2004.

Right now, Hillary's tactics aren't winning points with me. And I really cannot see her easily winning the presidency if she were to get the nomination (it'll be a very close race).

about Obama, and there were three of them that did that compared to one volunteer for Obama who made those fliers up. I defended Clinton over that becsause she didn't deserve to be blamed for what volunteer coordinators did on their own. You might take a clue...

How often do you post on here?

I was referring to three volunteer coordinators out in Iowa who forwarded an ugly "Obama is a stealth Muslim" email. Try reading for comprehension.