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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:05 PM
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Barack Obama
I've been doing some research on Senator Obama and thought that since I've collected a lot of information I would share it with the community here.

His Foreign Policy Advisors:

Major General Jonathan Scott Gration:
http://www.eucom.mil/english/CommandStaff/gration.htm
http://www.millenniumpromise.org/site/PageServer?pagename=home
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/interviews/craig.html

Susan E. Rice:
http://www.brookings.edu/experts/r/rices.aspx

Anthony Lake:
http://explore.georgetown.edu/people/lakea/?action=viewgeneral
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/lake1.htm
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Anthony_Lake
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/interviews/lake.html

Samantha Power:
http://ksgfaculty.harvard.edu/samantha_power
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20060605&s=power

GENERAL MERRILL A. MCPEAK:
http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=6434
http://www.opednews.com/goodenVanHorn_100304_republican_general.htm

Barack Obama and his Illinois State Senate Legislation:

http://12.43.67.2/legislation/legisnet90/sponsor/OBAMA.html
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet91/sponsor/OBAMA.html
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sponsor/OBAMA.html
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/SenatorBills.asp?MemberID=747&GA=93

Barack Obama and his Records from the Illinois State Senate:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/6821.html
http://mediamatters.org/items/200711150016
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21738432/page/4/

These are some other links and info you may or may not have been aware of:

Newsmax.com - Obama Controversial Pastor Retiring
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/Obama_Pastor/2008/01/14/64212.html

THE CONSTITUENCIES: AFRICAN-AMERICANS; Senate Nominee Speaks of Encompassing...
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04E5DD133DF93BA15754C0A9629C8B63

It’s Not Just ‘Ayes’ and ‘Nays’: Obama’s Votes in Illinois Echo - New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

In Illinois, Obama Proved Pragmatic and Shrewd - New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1200340869-YXQiHoEZH5oG3n3MyvHNQg

Barack Obama - Presidential Election of 2008 - Foreign Policy - New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/magazine/04obama-t.html

My personal choice this primary season is not Barack Obama. I feel there are too many inconsistencies for me to support him. I also feel he forms many of his opinions from his advisors opinions, which doesn't make them his, they belong to someone else.

Additionally Major General Jonathan Scott Gration, Anthony Lake, General Merrill A. McPeak, and Susan E. Rice were involved with, or worked directly in the Clinton White House. This doesn't set well with me and is, for me, another indication of the Obama inconsistency.

Then there's this claim by Senator Barack Obama,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10909406/

MR. RUSSERT: There’s been enormous speculation about your political future, Senator. The man you succeeded in the Senate, Peter Fitzgerald, a Republican, said this recently. “I think there’s a very good chance that Senator Obama is on the Democratic ticket in 2008 as the vice presidential nominee.” Do you agree?

SEN. OBAMA: No. You know, I can’t speculate on those kinds of things. What I have said is that, you know, I'm not focused on running for higher office, I'm focused on doing the job that the people of Illinois just sent me to do.

MR. RUSSERT: But there seems to be an evolution in your thinking. This is what you told the Chicago Tribune last month: “Have you ruled out running for another office before your term is up?” Obama answer: “It’s not something I anticipate doing.” But when we talked back in November of ‘04 after your election I said, “There’s been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?” Obama: “Absolutely.”

SEN. OBAMA: I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.

MR. RUSSERT: So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?

SEN. OBAMA: I will not.


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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:13 PM
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1. yes that was an out and out lie about serving his term out

At leat Hillary served a full term.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:17 PM
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2. lol cause she didnt want to opose bush!
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:19 PM
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3. Remember Bill Clinton's 1991 tour?
When he went around Arkansas explaining why he was breaking the promise he made in his 1990 gubernatorial campaign? When he said he wouldn't run for president?

No?

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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:27 PM
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4. That was Bill not Hillary and the point is

He flat out lied that he would serve a full term.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:38 PM
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6. Bill is Hillary.....
and obama changed his mind.

Just like Edwards changed his mind about a whole lot of things.....but of course, he "evolved".

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:56 PM
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23. its that kind of ridiculous statement
that puts you in the Clinton hate class as far as I can tell.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:44 PM
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7. Obama Lies with ease..
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 01:45 PM by Tellurian
Ask Obama how is the "one" piece of Legislation he's passed... doing?

The Legislation he touts at every whistle stop as proof of his earnest intentions.

His neutered "Ethical Reform" legislation is doing so well, it's become the "joke" of the week!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:27 PM
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5. Nice compilation of articles.
Thanks.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:23 PM
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16. You're welcome,
Thank you.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:36 PM
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8. If I posted a list of politicians who denied they were going
to run for higher office, the list would be long and wide. This is an especially weak criticism of Obama. Believe me, there are way better issues you could use against him.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:51 PM
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9. yeah, like every single one of them. you don't announce till you
announce. the only reason that this gets any play is that it is part of the media's "all horse race, all the time, don't talk about any real issues" plan.
can we please be better than that? smarter. maybe even?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:55 PM
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10. So you're linking to NewsMax for research on Democrats? Goodbye credibility. NT
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:15 PM
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13. Excuse me?
You pick one link out of all these and decide my credibility is worthless?
Did you even read the article?
FYI I came across this looking info on his church and their magazine, The Trumpet. It does not negate my research or the other links I've provided.
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I Dreamtoomuch_2 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:55 PM
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11. Reagan?
I believe you meant to list Gregory Craig and mixed up some names and links because of this.

It is an informative post however. This from Craig does look suspiciously like Obama and his Reagan comment.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/interviews/craig2.html

I think that this president will be seen as one of the most highly qualified, most talented, most skilled political leaders that this country has ever seen. In that measuring stick, he is up there, in my view, with the Ronald Reagan capacity to communicate with the nation, with the John Kennedy capacity to inspire a generation. I think he probably had more sense of politics and policy than we'll ever see again in a president, and more intelligence about dealing with it.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:20 PM
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15. Thanks
Yes I did mix that up. Gregory Craig is an advisor and the person I forgot to list.
McPeak I believe is new, since John Kerry endorsed Barack.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:08 PM
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12.  I'm starting to wonder if Obama isn't stupid or something.
Does he really believe all these lies about Reagan being a great president? I have no idea if he believes it or not.

Obama sort of lost me during the Alito confirmation, when he claimed that a filibuster was a “procedural maneuver” that he didn’t agree with, although he was going to vote for it anyways.

Alito was confirmed with 42 votes against him, after the filibuster was defeated (only 41 votes were needed to deny cloture). Are there any logisticians that can make sense of this, or is it just me?

"There is an over-reliance on the part of Democrats for procedural maneuvers," he told ABC's "This Week."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/29/national/w095727S83.DTL


I guess I'm just more old fashioned, and a true believer that the filibuster, as practiced in the Senate, is an historical tribute to our freedom of speech, which shall never be curtailed, and it annoys me to hear it referred to as a "procedural maneuver". Symbolism used to be huge in this country, and I'm not sure all of it was bad.


”In some ways, the filibuster is largely a symbolic motion. I haven’t yet determined whether or not that symbolism is worth it.”

http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2006/01/29/opinion/opinion/doc43dbd71a29b73485838974.txt

Ok, genius, what is it symbolic of, when 42 think he’s unfit for the job, and only 41 are needed to stop him, and yet there he sits.

To me, it is symbolic of a pathetic and disastrous lack of leadership in the Senate. Under YOUR watch.

But aside from my personal views, how does Alito ever get to the bench with 42 votes against him? This is just total nonsense, and it should never be possible, and statements like the one Obama made about this vote just serve as more disinformation. I think his statement is either stupid or dishonest, which is a lot different from making a choice between the lesser of two evils.

Or perhaps I just don't like the way that particular vote turned out, so I want someone to blame. But what he said sounds so stupid to me. It really does.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:17 PM
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14. Barack Obama is far from stupid. So I guess that means....... ?? nt
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:24 PM
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17. Or maybe he isn't, how would you know?
His knowlege of history seems pretty grim, so how exctly can you tell?
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:31 PM
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18. And YOUR credentials compared to his are what exactly??? nt
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:43 PM
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20. What kind of credentials should I have?
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 06:49 PM by Usrename
And for what earthly reason should my credentials be compared with his? Would that make him a better candidate somehow?

You're the one who is making a claim here, asserting that he isn't the moran that he seems to be, not me.

All I did was ask a question and made a factual observation. So what is your major malfunction?

My credentials are that I am not trying to be president. Is that good enough?

on edit> I think I may have used the wrong pronoun in my previous post. I meant to say "how would you know?"... as in "how would one know?" It was definitely not intended as any acusatory remark, and I apologize if you took it that way.

:blush:
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:47 PM
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21. Someome who calls another stupid must have a sense of superiority, no??
:shrug: It is a ridiculous statement for you to make. Just sayin'.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:53 PM
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22. I'm not so sure I can agree with that completely.
I see some pretty stupid people call each other names all the time, doesn't mean that any of them are smart. I edited my last post, while you were responding, if you didn't see it yet.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:59 PM
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24. You called Obama stupid. And that is just absurd. Period. nt
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:39 PM
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19. His Supporters Show Such Blind Faith In the Man!
I'm not sure anything he could say or do would turn them against him.
His statement about wanting to be like Reagan , spoken when he wants to be the Democratic Nominee would be like running into a room full of Evangilicals shouting " I AM THE ANTI CHRIST!!!"
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:06 PM
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25. It is
obsequious pandering to crossover voters, making Obama's a cynical campaign at best.

At worst, it is throwing Liberals and all REAL Democrats under the bus, to get elected. Obama managed to insult nearly every important core Democratic Principle.

Simply, lauding Reagan, STINKS!
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