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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:01 PM
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Good grief ...no verification of legal immigrant status in NV at-large caucus sites ...
My state really knows how to elevate its CARNIVALE status!

Nevada: What if any verification process will be put in place to validate the casino workers as being legal U.S. residents at the nine at-large caucus locations?

Jon Ralston: None. No ID required. All they have to do is sign a statement saying they are legit under penalty of perjury. Pretty loose.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/01/14/DI2008011401387.html

(Jon Ralston is Nevada's top political pundit.)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:03 PM
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1. Oh god, that's at ANY CAUCUS SITE
I am so sick of liars, where are people's ethics.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:04 PM
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3. no, we are being told to bring picture id's up north
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:05 PM
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5. You don't have to, the rules are the same
all over the state.

You're being spun by the Reid/Clinton machine.
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DU9598 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:03 PM
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2. How is this any different than any other state?
The only cure is to force ID at voting places which disenfrancises the elderly and the poor.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:05 PM
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4. the number of potential illegals who work in the casino industry is the issue here
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:16 PM
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8. If they're working they are legal
unless you can prove otherwise. There's pretty stiff penalties for hiring illegals, and casinos aren't a mom and pop store that have no resources to identify counterfeit documentation.

I'd say the problem lies with you thinking anyone with brown skin is here illegally.

There's all kinds of racism at DU, we've seen this time and time again.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:32 PM
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18. LOL!
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:15 PM
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30. Wow more racist crap!
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 03:16 PM by Andy823
Is that all you Obama people can do, call people racist?

The idea that everyone working at those casinos is "legal" is crap, and you know it. Fake ID is used all the time with big employers, not just the "mom and pop" stores. The idea that nobody has to show ID is stupid. Caucus's stink to high heaven, are are the perfect setting for abuse. The whole system of a caucus is wrong and should be changed.

Now I am sure that if Edwards or Clinton would have gotten the backing of all these union members, your response would be much different!
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:21 PM
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11. Hey, I'm glad to see you here - did you see this today?
http://www.judicial.state.ia.us/Supreme_Court/Recent_Opinions/20080118/07-0610.pdf

Oh, and I can't believe the desire to suppress voter participation I have seen on this board. I have to keep checking to make sure I'm on the DEMOCRATIC Underground.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:05 PM
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6. That's a shame. I guess the Culinary Workers endorsement was a sweepstakes
After all. Some good ol' fashioned Vegas entertainment there.

Jesus, I had no idea how important that endorsement was when I first heard of it. I wonder what Barack had to promise them to get all this?

Question: Do they even have to be Culinary Workers?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:06 PM
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7. The rules have been posted repeatedly
The caucus sites are for ALL workers within a 2.5 mile radius of any casino caucus site.

The rules about ID's are the same all over the state. If this poster is being told different, she's being lied to.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:17 PM
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9. Thanks, but I guess that I didn't present my question well...
How is employment going to be verified? I'm guessing that happens at the time of registration?

I smell possible fraud here, don't you? Considering it was the union reps who were registering people (from the sounds of that voter disenfranchisement crap). With the union registering people who's to say if they saw the required items or not? I guess that's why Clinton supporters were hovering over them like hawks.

I'll read the complete rules this afternoon (I thought I'd read what people posted though). But, if you know the answer to this offhand, I'd appreciate it.

At least we know that some unions truly do still have power in this country.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:23 PM
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12. Everybody caucuses at the same time
It isn't like they will caucus in one place and then go caucus somewhere else. If it's convenient to caucus at a casino, they will. If it's more convenient to caucus in their home precinct, they will because it's no fun to fight strip traffic if you don't have to.

The way the weighting is set up, these caucuses can't contribute more than 6% of the total vote, according to a news report I saw.

This is the same kind of shit Republicans do, push emotional button and create wedge issues.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:33 PM
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19. Thanks. I guess that I still worry...
...about those Employer Identification cards (that I learned about from Debi, below). I don't doubt that the union has produced a *few* more of those lately.

But if it's only 6% of the vote, then I'll stop worrying, regardless.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:28 PM
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14. So you don't have to rummage through 65 pages of rules
<snip>
Attendance and Registration Requirements for At-Large Precinct Caucuses
1. At-Large Precincts Caucuses are designed specifically to service shift workers
who work during or within one hour of the Nevada Democratic Party Caucuses
start-time (11:30am), and who could not return to their home precinct caucus in
time to participate.
2. Shift workers will be required to bring their Employer Identification card or badge
to their assigned At-Large Precinct Caucus to be eligible to participate in the At-
Large Precinct Caucus. The Employer ID card will serve as proof of shift worker
status.
3. Shift workers will also sign a declaration stating that they could not attend their
home Precinct Caucus because they worked during or within one hour of the
designated caucus start time

<snip>


Here are the rules:
http://www.nvdemscaucus.com/images/draftdelselupdated_oct2007l.pdf
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:31 PM
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16. Thanks! Yeah, um 65 pages? Not fun. Did you read it all? If so, wow. n/t
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:33 PM
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20. Nah - I've just hunted for what I needed re: at large and start time and stuff like that
But you enjoy....;)
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sueh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:21 PM
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31. Thank you, Debi. Another DU occasion when I wish I could "Recommend" a single post.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:33 PM
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33. Here ya go....
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:17 PM
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10. It was the same at the Iowa caucuses...
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 02:31 PM by TwoSparkles
We didn't have to show ID to caucus, if you were a registered Democrat.

If you were not registered to vote, you could register on site---and that required an ID.

You could also caucus if were a registered Republican or Independent. However, you needed
to register as a Dem the night of the caucus. That also required an ID.

Iowa has a law that if you don't have an ID---someone who has ID, who lives in your precinct,
can vouch for you. Then you can vote.

The no-ID laws like this and of other states, have been around for many election cycles.

It's no big deal.

Who is making a big deal out of this and why?



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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:30 PM
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15. Because up is down
black is white
day is night
summer is winter

We're Democrats so we want to limit participation :eyes:

Is it January 2009 yet? x(
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:35 PM
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22. If summer is winter...
...then, can winter be summer?

It's freezing here, the wind is blowing and there's a half foot of snow on my driveway.

I'd rather be planting my impatiens.

:)

I know what you mean about wanting the primaries to be over. Maybe it's because Iowa
went first. Iowans have been plugged into this race since December, at least. I'm
getting emotionally drained. I was just thinking today....that I wish I could wake
up and it would be late spring. I just can't imagine what the outcome will be and all
of the craziness that will happen along the way. We've got recounts going in NH,
all kinds of back-and-forth and loads of unknowns. If anything, it will be interesting...
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:59 PM
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25. I actually attended a campaign kick-off the Monday after the caucuses!
County Convention is only 60 days away x(

With the crazy primaries and state-wide elections we had in 2006 and the caucuses two weeks ago I don't think campaign season from 2004 ever ended!

It's COOOOOOLD but sunny here - sounds like the weekend will be bad! :scared:
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:26 PM
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13. They have voter lists at the caucus site, right?
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 02:30 PM by lurky
I have never been asked for ID in any of the states and cities where I have lived. I am asked for my address, then my name is crossed off the registration list, then I go vote. How will this be any different? Are people advocating some kind of voter ID law now, like the Republicans do?

Edited to add:
This sounds like some real Lou Dobbs shit. "Danger! Illegal immigrants are stealing your votes now!" I mean, this guy has managed to combine the Republicans' two favorite canards: "voter fraud" and the "illegal immigrant invasion".
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:32 PM
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17. I think they are...
they did this right before the Iowa Caucuses and the New Hampshire Primary as well.

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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:34 PM
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21. We have to show a government picture ID in Arizona to vote even if your neighbor is sitting.....
...at the table checking names on the list.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:01 PM
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26. How do you get these ID?
How do the poor or the disabled get them? Forcing people who don't have the physical or financial ability to purchase government ID's is disenfranchising. Democrats should not support that activity.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:37 PM
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24. I would worry about those lists...
And actually any lists anywhere in the state, because it sounds like they will be allowing people register on site. How else can you have someone switching from Indie or Repub to Dem on the day of the caucus. (as has been claimed in the "OMG, Obama's trying to get Indies and Republicans to vote Dem!!!" threads. How can you have an accurate list with that policy?

It sounds like they're just going with the Employer ID cards....?

Caucuses are fun! :eyes:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:36 PM
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23. That's not what this says
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:02 PM
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27. I never showed any ID to get my absentee ballot
shock and dismay. This is all pre Clinton blather so they can walk away from another defeat
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:07 PM
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28. Have there been numerous and verifiable incidents..
Have there been numerous and verifiable incidents of voter fraud in NV recently?
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:09 PM
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29. Si Se Puede!
Gobama!
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:22 PM
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32. Republican talking point. n/t
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