I'll Say It Again-Clinton-Obama Or Obama-Clinton

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I'd vote for either combination in a heartbeat.

But then, I'd vote for any of our Dems in the GE.

Though I still say if we want to look at 16 years --Clinton/Obama makes far more sense.

But not as risky as having a fractured party...

The Dems would really gin up the African American vote, the Hispanic vote, and the women's vote...


And they can paint any third party attempt from the center or center-left as a feeble attempt to stop the white woman and the black guy...

I wouldn't vote for HRC if she picked JC himself as her running mate. :wow: What VILE campaign cheap trickery. :grr:

The "HRC is inevitable" people and her shameless operatives using race baiting have RUINED me on her and I'm far from alone. :thumbsdown:

She'll pick a generic white guy (Evan Bayh?) as her running mate.

She may be proud, but she HAS to realize how powerful, intelligent, and influencial Obama is. Obama has a lot of good ideas, he brings along the AF vote, the youth vote, and the independent vote. He has many good ideas and if VP would have the experience to make a great president in 8 years. ON TOP OF THAT. If he got the nominee then I don't think Clinton should be ashamed to take a VP slot. She would get to be part of a historic election, she could bring extra experience to the ticket, she would bring in women and older voters. THEN in 8 years she could run for president at age 68, BUT when she did ... no one could accuse her of running on Bill's tails (be that accusation true or not these days)

She knows , like any nat'l Democrat, she needs > 87% of the African American vote to win...

the GE will be like voting Republican vs Republican

She's a sure loser in the GE. It's going to waste his talent.

She came back from the political dead in New Hampshire...If you can't respect her for that I'll respect her for the two of us...

I think she's going to easily out debate any republican, but she's unlikable, northern, and a senator.

I think he might get the nomination...

The only Repug that scares me is McCain but I think he's too old to withstand a grueling campaign season...


Also, you're right about the fact that it's hard for a northererner to win the presidency...But Hill can claim southern, midwestern, and northern bona fides...

He was willing to wip out the confederate flag when it wasn't the issue. Also, the push polls.

If she wins this nomination (75% probability at this point) she can run in November. She's 61, this is her one and only shot at the White House, so it's no wonder she's willing to pull out all the stuff.

Obama is 46. He can run until 2028!

If Hillary gets the nomination and offers the VP slot to Barack, he should probably accept it and do the best he can for the sake of party unity. It'll earn him more exposure and support within the establishment. On the off chance Hillary wins in november, a scenario that's not entirely likely, but possible depending on what the reps nominate, Obama will have 4-8 years as VP.
If We lose in November, Obama is the front runner for 2012.
It's really a no-brainer when put in those terms.

It's not what my heart wants to see happen, but what my head tells me is most likely.

Richardson brings the Hispanic vote.

They'll feel taken for granted as usual.

that's the way it is. It's not being taken for granted. It's voting for someone that has Blacks' best interest at heart. The "taken for granted" is a GOP talking point meant to divide Blacks. However, the GOP has nothing to offer Blacks in return except servitude.

They intimidated students in Iowa. They used racist smears and lies in NH. They used law suits to try to suppress the vote in LV. They then accused Obama of voter suppression. They've run the ugliest campaign I have ever seen and I don't want Obama to go anywhere near them.

Don't worry, she's picking Richardson.

He spread the now (true) rumors that JFK had Addison's Disease...Bobby Kennedy hated his guts... But they knew he needed him and he needed them...

This is what is wrong with this country, not what's right with it. You honest to god should be ashamed.

The smarmy B.S. never ends from The *Illustrious* Clintonian DLC.

Earlier in the day, Tweety was "almost orgasmic" when talking about "the mighty Clinton machine." I believe that some of you (and Media Matters) may have partially mis-judged Tweety as merely *sexist,* but instead, TWEETY LOVES swagger and bloody political races.

Tweety loves him - all those *cheap dirty political stunts* because his heros/heroines believe that THE ONLY THING WORTHWHILE IS WINNING ... no matter how much you must sacrifice your integrity, *winning is all*! :eyes:

I'm through with Cable TV M$M. What smarmy POS they have proven themselves to have become. :thumbsdown:

But I want my party to win...Everything else is commentary...

I suggest that it is the latter.

They are stuck with each other.

Hillary may want to pick Bill Richardson, but it would result in the most contentious convention in modern history and with Nader and Bloomberg itching to run, would be suicidal.

They are both stuck with each other. And it may be a good thing (if Barack is the head of the ticket, naturally)

She will never win in the general election. Personally, I'll give up on the Presidential race and focus on electing local Democrats if Hillary is the nominee. She would be a lost cause.

Ipse dixit

:eyes: Yes, condescension is the way for the Democratic Establishment Politicos to unite the party. But don't forget to trash the liberal base? :crazy:

I won't "lay down" for the Clintonian DLC a third time.

Get used to saying *President Romney* when all your intimidation and condescending fall on the deaf ears of your base. :shrug:

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There's no way in hell Hillary is winning the GE.

Especially with third (Bloomberg), fourth (Nader) and fifth (McKinney) parties diluting the liberal vote in November.

Redux

Oh, and good luck at building a mighty democratic party coalition - because you've TRASHED the base and, as such, gonna need it a whole lot of luck with Dibold codes. :evilgrin:

Seriously, what did her husband do besides talk and pass a few easy half measures? When did he ever stick his neck out and pass something major for civil rights? Why should I think Hillary will be any different?

When it comes to winning votes in the South and Midwest, Hillary has much more to worry about than being a woman. She has no appeal as a candidate in middle America. None.

Obama is a decent human being while Hillary and Bill are a dynasty that apparently still have a lot of appeal but I won't be fooled into anything by them. Remember, if it wasn't for Bill we wouldn't even be talking Hillary today. Obama is his own man who has been beaten down by the Clinton attack machine. I would think he has too much common sense to bother running under her.

Whomever wins the the primaries must have someone with real foreign policy experience on their ticket, especially up against McCain.

Imagine McCain in the White House. :(

its the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about.

if he decides to run again and I don't think Hillary has a prayer in the general election. Her candidacy will do more for getting out the Republican vote than anyone else ever has. I'm so depressed at the thought of another Republican regime, but I'm afraid it's going to happen.