Howie F is saying that Obama/Clinton race is going to "tear Dem party apart"

What do you think. I think it's the usual media bullshit (that's Howard Fineman).

Will be if one of them wins the nomination, and then can't win the general. This country needs real change, not just lip service. If we lose to the republicans, again, it's going to be terrible for the party!

as it is it might. They better get on economics and stay there.

tear the party apart.

Pitting two of the most loyal blocs in the party is not good and this race will drag on. HRC and her husband have shown no class and will definitely continue to go negative on Obama and Barack also has had his share of cattiness.

Add into the mix that if HRC wins the nom and Ron Paul or Bloomberg runs an independent bid the party could possible be doomed. :(

Thanks again Bill and Hill! :eyes:

Yes, we know, it's ALL ABOUT YOU! :grr:

I will support the Dem nominee whoever he/she is.

I think the good news is that this close contest is bringing out more voters than anyone expected. The more people who become involved, the better.

Sad to say. :(

:cry:

that the Republican Candidate Clusterfuck is good for the GOP. Healthy competition, don'tcha know.

I love Obama but feel he does not have the experience and maturity to be the President at this time. I am not a racist or part of a Democratic machine.

I like Edwards but believe that he is too narrow on the issues. I don't think he can address enough of a broad platform to attract independents.

I do not like Hillary on a personal basis but believe she would make a better president. That doesn't mean I am a robot or have been bought off. I assessed all of the candidates and made a choice.

If we don't start having respect for each other we will tear this party apart.

She's never managed anything.

Her "35 years of experience" is a kin to a Cub Scout Den Mother.

Her health care proposal was a disaster and please don't bring up the Republicans. It was HER FAULT>

getting Healthcare passed in 1993, but.......

Oh wait a minute. Obama, according to the Constitution, wasn't old enough to be the president in 1993.

Hillary went to college and law school at a time in this country when an ambitous woman was considered an oddity. Her early years included legal aid to progressive causes when the country was debating/fighting over very basic principles that we take for granted today; civil rights, women's right, an end to the Vietnam War. She was in on the ground floor in running NIxon out of town. The social change that took place during the late 60's early 70's shaped the progressive movement and although you don't give those who came before you any credit, they deserve it. Her work with the Children's Defense Fund is as admirable as Obama's community activism. As first lady in Arkansas she led efforts that helped improve Arkansas public schools. She has always been an activist.

It would seem easy enough to counter you "Den Mother" slur by saying, "I'd rather vote for the Den Mother then the Cub Scout bit the point of this post is to try to get us back on a respectful plane, not to take cheap shots.

I see it.

What an ass!

eat it up.

Once people demand better, it will stop. However, I have less faith in the intellect of the general populace than most, so it won't stop for quite some time, if ever.

This Country accepts almost anything it is told. If you want proof, just look at how many people in this forum are at this moment, spinning an Obama loss to an Obama victory, based on a spinmeisters obtuse notion. Believe me, Obama would rather have won the popular vote, than a singular delegate more. Public opinion is so easily manipulated, otherwise, Axelrod, the promoter of this spin, wouldn't even try.

The fact that he knows his supporters will froth at the mouth and run to a forum, post repetitive posts on a loss which makes them look smaller, is proof of the LACK OF CRITICAL THINKING ANYMORE.

Quite sad, really.

Its become complacent and lost its direction. A good revolution is exactly what it needs to bring it back to its core values.

From what I"ve personally witnessed, NO MATTER WHO WINS, we're ALL voting DEM in November.

If they think for a split second that ANY of US will vote repuke - they're gonna be sorely disappointed!

what clueless assholes...

Frankly...I thought it was good to point out what I've seen happening here on DU... I think Dems in many ways are as SPLIT as the Repugs. But, the Repugs at least keep all their Candidates in the Race...unlike our Dems who just keep pushing "Top Two...Top Two" leaving out the Activists on the Dem side.

Repugs never dissed their ACTIVISTS....they CULTIVATED THEM. The Dems consider them "FRINGE."

Sad........Sad.....Sad.....

Then again, this is the same group that sees nothing wrong in trashing their Party's former President, or in one of their own channeling Reagan.

This race is Hillary's to lose, and I'm no fan of HRC. I detest Corporatism, and this Party shouldn't have Corporatists or appeasors in it. If it were true to it's roots, neither of the front-runners would succeed.

While everyone is arguing partisan politics, I forsee the GE, where HRC is a target of the abuse half of this site has heeped and Obama's warts will not be overlooked. The Rezko trial is in one month.

I'm an Edwards supporter based on his platform. If Obama said what Edwards says, he would be my candidate. But, I'm afraid he is way too Corporate and conciliatory. Most of the backers of HRC and Obama think activism is a bad thing and that the candidate who drives it, should back out of the race.

Ridiculous.

which is thumbing their noses at those of us who support party change.

Carville even involved them in his attacks against Dean, and they never spoke up.

Yes, it is going to split the party.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/838