Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Obama Manager Accuses Clintons of Widespread Dirty Politics

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:40 PM
Original message
Obama Manager Accuses Clintons of Widespread Dirty Politics
Obama Manager Accuses Clintons of Widespread Dirty Politics

David Plouffe, in a succinct statement appended to a released quotation from his boss, Barack Obama, said the Obama campaign was investigating more than 200 reporters of irregularities in Nevada.

“We currently have reports of over 200 separate incidents of trouble at caucus sites, including doors being closed up to thirty minutes early, registration forms running out so people were turned away, and ID being requested and checked in a non-uniform fashion. This is in addition to the Clinton campaign’s efforts to confuse voters and call into question the at-large caucus sites which clearly had an affect on turnout at these locations. These kinds of Clinton campaign tactics were part of an entire week’s worth of false, divisive, attacks designed to mislead caucus-goers and discredit the caucus itself."Plouffe asks Nevadans to call a toll-free number, (866) 675-2008, and report any other problems.

Obama, for his part, said he "ran an honest, uplifting campaign in Nevada that focused on the real problems Americans are facing, a campaign that appealed to people’s hopes instead of their fears."

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/01/obama_manager_accuses_clintons.php#comments

Here's a first-hand account -- http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/19/162953/644/790/439573
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:41 PM
Response to Original message
1. and obama never played the race card either....uh huh
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. And Reagan isn't one of Hillary's favorite presidents. Only GHWB is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #5
16. oh for christ's sake, she never said that...
get your facts str8

David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5309
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. .
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 07:15 PM by Flabbergasted
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #21
45. SORE LOSERS!!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #16
27. Everyone agrees that Reagan had good communication skills. He was an actor.
If that's all she said, it's nothing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #1
12. No. And hillary never race baited.... uh huh
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #1
18. Those two boys tried to play tag team on a woman and it backfired
I hate that sexist bull shit! I will never forget just how low they were willing to go.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:41 PM
Response to Original message
2. Funny their Iowa karma is coming back to bite them. Ummh?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:42 PM
Response to Original message
3. One member said the caucus was a "cluster fuck"; disorganized.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #3
30. yes it was indeed - if "fucked" EVERYONE EQUALLY.
Hillary people wore their shirts. True.

But you conveniently left out that OBAMA people also wore theirs...just as prominently.

same for the signs...

Hillary's people did get there first - Obama's people didn't get there for another hour after that - that is NOT the fault of the Hillary people...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:44 PM
Response to Original message
4. Oh, jeez.....
here we go again...clearly Obama can't take a loss....this is such bullshit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. It may amount to nothing at all...
but to dismiss these things as simply primae facie sour grapes is the real bullshit.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Obama=sore loser.
Case closed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #8
32. That's right!
These sort of allegations have no merit and are just because one candidate is a sore loser... until november when it happens to our nominee and then it's called disenfranchisement.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. No, but this is Obama's second loss, and the second time they were looking for excuses...
I fully expect Hillary to lose SC. Should she start screaming voter fraud??
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. If there is evidence that voter fraud actually occured...
then I would expect that it would be investigated rather than dismissed as sour grapes. While Obama may be using these instances as an excuse for his loss, it's doesn't make these reports less credible, does it? I would like to see even the candidate that WINS the state ask for such cases to be investigated, that way when November comes around, our candidate will be one who is already on record as supporting everyone's right to vote, whether the vote went their way or not. I'd like to see Hillary calling for an investigation in NV now, hell I'd like to see all candidates calling for an investigation when there's allegations of voter fraud. I'm not suggesting you void the results or anything, but don't sweep it all under the rug, either.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:48 PM
Response to Original message
7. So lets see NH they cried theft


Michigan they cried

Now Nevada

Are they going to cry foul at every Hillary win.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:48 PM
Response to Original message
9. Obama's supporters-"Diebold, Diebold, Diebold!!!"
It's just really, really sad.

Take your loss, take responsibility so you can learn from it.

As President it is quite pathetic to think of Obama's cabinet crying foul every time a congressional vote doesn't go his way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #9
33. Diebold bussed them in!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:51 AM
Response to Reply #9
49. You just showed your own ignorance. In a caucus there are no voting machines.
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 06:52 AM by ellisonz
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:48 PM
Response to Original message
10. "...an honest, uplifting campaign in Nevada.."
yeah, that's the impression i got too...not!

new hampshire redux...like it's been predicted on DU, every time Hillary wins now, this will happen?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:49 PM
Response to Original message
11. PUKE worthy. If this gets in the MSM Obama is going down in flames.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #11
19. I'm thinking the same thing. Nobody likes sore losers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:37 AM
Response to Reply #19
47. This "sore loser" crap is a Republican taunt. Plain and simple.
I'm calling every "Democrat" on this board who uses it on it. When you use charged phrases like that, you are suspect.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:50 PM
Response to Original message
13. ...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:50 PM
Response to Original message
14. What a tough primary season this will be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:51 PM
Response to Original message
15. Sour grapes make the tastiest whine!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:52 PM
Response to Original message
17. This kind of thing is making it harder and harder for me to support Obama.
They guy's running a very divisive campaign. I don't like it. I'm leaning closer to Hillary every day.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. I am feeling the same way. This kind of stuff really turns me off.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tashca Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #17
43. I said at one time
I said at one time I would never vote for her......I find myself leaning now too....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:52 AM
Response to Reply #17
50. I don't doubt for one second
that the Clintons are willing to do just about anything to get into the WH. They are shameless. I really doubt Plouffe would be saying a damn word unless he was quite sure that there was wrongdoing, given what has happened thus far between the campaigns.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:54 PM
Response to Original message
20. wwaaababa is already starting shit!
Everytime I want to forgive him and his supporters...I hear bs!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. Both campaigns will do nasty things to win.
It's part of the game, sadly. Both Clinton and Obama are much better human beings than what their campaign tactics suggest.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:55 PM
Response to Original message
22. oh i hope that is not true.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:56 PM
Response to Original message
24. This is it,
I knew there'd something, and here it is. Low, low, low. Sore, bitter loser.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:58 PM
Response to Original message
26. GIve it a rest - it wasn't Clinton's people it was the PROCESS...
Clinton as well as Obama did not get enough "ballots" - it affected everyone EQUALLY...

Stop tryihg to stir up partisan shit where none existed...

I was there - I complained about a lot of the stuff - it wasn't the "Clinton" people...

get over yourselves...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:00 PM
Response to Original message
28. That's a pretty stunning account, at Daily Kos. I trust there will be more on this, later.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MediaBabe Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:00 PM
Response to Original message
29. And then Obama said "I am piously above all that"
See me walk on water. See me turn it into wine.

"Obama, for his part, said he "ran an honest, uplifting campaign in Nevada..."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Exactly
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluewisdom Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:18 PM
Response to Original message
34. are you cikding
your a suker !you dont know waht your talking about! hillary rools obamma is not ready to be president!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:20 PM
Response to Original message
36. K&R n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:45 PM
Response to Original message
38. My fervent prayer is that her tactics come back to haunt her
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. One way or another it
always happens.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Karma is a wonderful thing, no?
:toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:39 PM
Response to Original message
41. Pot..meet Kettle...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jenmarie Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:44 PM
Response to Original message
42. Fear & Loathing On The Campaign Trail In Las Vegas

by dday @ digby's

I'm still actually trying to process what I saw today. I attended the at-large caucus at the Wynn Hotel and Casino. Suffice to say (for now) that it was the most surreal political event in American history, and I'm trying to be understated. Imagine a costume party with politics mixed in.

For the record, there are a lot of allegations flying around about voter intimidation and voter suppression and all of that, on the Clinton AND on the Obama side (the Edwards folks are saying they just didn't have the people and didn't have the money). To be clear, I saw none of that at the Wynn, though of course, there was so much media there nobody would have been able to get away with it.

I'll give a full report probably tomorrow.

...

P.S.S.S. OK, I just spoke with Jill Derby, the head of the Nevada State Democratic Party. Regarding the Obama claim that he'll actually get more delegates out of this, essentially that's spin. Derby said that the caucuses are an "expression of the support of Nevadans today." Around 11,000 delegates were elected today. That will be winnowed down at county conventions and eventually at the state convention in May to the 25 that will go to Denver for the DNC. In 2004, Kerry didn't win every delegate on Election Day, but most of the delegates that eventually went to the DNC were his. Once there's a presumptive nominee, the delegate numbers are subject to change. It's non-binding.

If that makes your head spin, the short version is that this was a beauty contest, and you can't project delegate numbers at this time.

On the question of charges of voter suppression and intimidation, which the Obama campaign is officially alleging, Derby said this (paraphrase):

"We had strict standards in place for what went on in the caucus room. Outside of the room is not necessarily our purview. We did get a few calls over the course of the day, and we did eject some people from the caucus room for engaging in tactics that were not within the rules."

I asked her if she was going to initiate an investigation, and she demurred. She basically said that if Nevadans feel they have had their voting rights infringed upon, they should take it up with the "proper avenues," which specifically she said was the courts. She also basically said that there was a lot of passion on both sides, and these kind of charges get thrown around in those circumstances.

Trying to be hands-off here, just the facts, ma'am. I can tell you one thing - this will not go away, and it could end up being a very big part of the conversation heading into South Carolina.

...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mutineer Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:46 PM
Response to Original message
44. Bill Clinton is saying it was the opposite
but given the way they are running HRC's campaign (apparently Rove must be an "advisor")---I'd rather believe Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:14 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. You call this positive campaigning by Obama Supporters.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/hillaryclinton/story/0,,2243967,00.html

"They were pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing everyday," said Robert Rock, who turned up to the caucus in his white cook's uniform.

"And they mostly talked to the people who don't understand how the process works. They don't watch the news and comprehend what the candidates really stand for. That is what the culinary was counting on."

By the time it came to caucus time at the Mirage, tempers were running high. Obama organisers wearing red Culinary Workers Union T-shirts formed a gauntlet near the registration desk, calling on each new arrival to join their ranks.

Others had strategy huddles on the edge of the cavernous hall. "The bosses are going to be on one side of the room and the workers another. It's very clear. Let everybody know," said one.

There was open anger when some of the voters went over to the Clinton camp. "We are going to deal with them when we get back to our respective hotels," said Theresa Moore, who was wearing a union red T shirt.

You call that positive vote campaigning by obama supporters. Bill was right about what he was overhearing in the hotels last night.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:43 AM
Response to Original message
48. Excuses are like assholes--everybody's got one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 01:46 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC