Barring a miracle, one year from today we will be hearing "President McCain"

The only Democrats who can beat him in the general election are either 1) not running or 2) running too far behind to be nominated.

And that's how that works out.

It wasn't too long ago the media was disgustingly biased towards the right, and we're supposed to believe that just now, all of a sudden, they want to be somewhat fair and balanced.

We're being played.

If 'we' had gotten a handle on the vote-stealing machines and organizations behind them.

The way it is now, 'they' will decide for us who the next president will be.

Can't argue this one.

Brings me no pleasure to point it out, I promise.

That oughta tell us something...

hearings.. no one gets Alzheimer's over night. head of CIA had brain surgery for a tumor days before the hearing,.. they cut the part of his brain out that contained his memory.. and numerous others were found dead with in days...

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:P

Of course Foxxxxxxxx is for Der Mittenfuhrer.
Gawd, could this country be so stupid as to elect Mitt?
Wait a minute.

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Any of our candidates can beat McCain!

America is nowhere near ready to elect a woman...or a black fellow. Not now, not for another couple dozen years at the very minimum.

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Besides, Edwards got a laughable 5% in Nevada. He couldn't defeat Hucklebee, most likely.

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Thank you for this thread; it gives me something to do during commercials.

Either Obama or Hillary takes this election easily.

You think the economy will be better?
Will the war be over?
Will Bush become a good president?

This is as easy of a win for the Democratic party as 1980 was for the Republicans.

You think America will vote for a woman or a black man for president? You're seven miles past goofy if you believe that. Jesusfuckingchrist, even my Democratic friends around here won't support either of them. Not sure how to break this to you, but DU is a TEENY TINY MICROCOSM of the electorate, and a small portion of that as well. The unhappy truth is there is no pony under all that horseshit.

Hell, DU is it's own separate bizarro world that thinks people would elect Kucinich if he only had more media coverage and one more debate appearance.

Yes, I do think people will vote for a woman and, as long as Obama doesn't come across as focusing on only racial issues, yes, even a black man.

This is not a normal election. In an average election, you may be right, but in this case the Republicans have so royally screwed up the country, even a woman or black man will win easily.

I lived there for 18 years...in the central part - I can see your scenario down around Miami but it wouldn't fly very well in the Tampa-Orlando corridor.

I guess we'll see...

I'm up in the panhandle (reddest of the red areas of Florida).

Gore and Kerry carried Orange County... The mayor of Orlando is a Democrat... The Chief Of Police is an African American... We have anti-discrimination against gay ordinances... We might not be Los Angeles or Seattle but we are a progressive city...Even in uber affluent Winter Park I saw as many Kerry lawn signs as I saw Bush lawn signs in 04...

A Dem that comes off as non-scary can win it... All he or she has to do is kick ass in South Florida, win marginally in Central Florida, and avoid being shut out in North Florida...

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for the Democrats.

The media and the "powers that be" have decided who we will be allowed to vote for and a Democratic winner doesn't seem to be in the mix. I hope all those crowing about the "winners" of the primaries and caucuses remember what they had to say when they see McCain strutting out to "Hail To The Chief".
Off topic but whats your take on the Boeing 777, major mechanical failure or major FU.

I'm baffled so far but I haven't really kept up with it. I think the solution will be something very weird though...likely something nobody had ever contemplated. I'm just a little tiny bit tilted toward some combination of training/pilot error at the moment - and I don't like to think it. Hopefully we'll know more soon...

I depend on you and a couple of others for aircraft related comment.

and excoriate anybody who doesn't agree with my obviously correct opinions! :D

McCain could win the nomination, but that is not certian.

Democrats still have an advantage this cycle, if we don't blow it.

There is the possibility of a 3rd party candidate changing everything.

:D

There's a truly scary thought... :scared:

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Lieberman will give us the "Armageddon" platform, or Huckabee will push for the "Let's turn it into a theocracy" platform...

either way, McCain is gettin' old...

And underestimating him is a BIG mistake. We should wake up NOW (though it won't happen) and select a winning candidate. Personally, I think a McCain-Biden race would be a classic (especially when discussing the Iraq War).

you are right, do not underestimate him.
However it has been mostly independents voting for him, his "maverick" style doesn't set well with his base.
He has a lot of reaching out to do in his own party.
Adding Biden or Liberman would not be in his political best interests.

On the same note, I doubt Clinton and Obama will team up.

I would have liked to have seen a McCain (R) - Biden (D) general election.
What a debate it would have been on Iraq.

.... why this shit is allowed, I don't understand. They can leave out candidates they don't want to run.

It will reset everyone's expectations of the American political system, hopefully along more progressive lines.

You'll get there Karl. I sense you're confronting your insecurity - about a woman, or maybe specifically a Hillary - line of resistance within yourself before you reset your expectations.

Democrats are just now beginning to do it as the reality of Hillary's nomination begins to take hold. I think it's probably good that she's had to fight and win against both Obama and Edwards, than if she had just been anointed the Dem candidate. That would have left everyone unsure of how real it is. The way I see this Dem nomination campaign is Hillary beating the best two other candidates in the entire race; the Publicans being the bottom of the candidate barrel. This gives her credibility now.

The rest of the country will get there in about a year.

Obama matches up much better against the republicans than Hillary

of a GE campaign. Sorry.

despite her extremely high negatives?

The Republican party is in a shambles right now. They're dispirited, divided, and no matter who wins the Republican nomination, be it McCain or anyone else, not one of their candidates has very solid support across the spectrum of Republican voters.

Anyone who takes seriously these polls being taken months in advance of November about which candidate beats which other candidate hasn't been paying much attention to how well polling has been doing lately. Even the polls taken days before given elections haven't faired too well sometimes, and the polls taken months or even weeks in advance have swung around and shifted so much as to be nearly meaningless.

The thirst for change is enormous (and yes, even Hillary counts as a lot of change if you take off your DU blinders for a moment and think about the average voter out in the real world), and I expect Republican voter turnout to be very low -- I sincerly doubt that even the anti-Hillary hatred so many of you fear would likely be strong enough a motivational factor to, say, make evangelicals fiercely supportive of McCain or Romney, or business conservatives eager for Huckabee.

That is why I will continue to fight for JRE!

People (I'm talking morning DJ types) do John McCain skits where the McCain impersonator is speaking and then suddenly has some kind of Vietnam flashback. "All in good fun, of course." This is nothing new.

Now, there are websites attempting to smear his name in a half-assed swiftboating attempt.

Biggest knocks will be his record on social issues other than abortion (despite his staunch anti-abortion rights stance, he is pretty well loathed by evangelicals), and his age (he'll be Reagan's age, but without Reagan's brilliant speaking skills).

and Clinton whooped him.

McCain is even older than Dole was when he ran.

Dole was 73 in the 1996 election, but, I would agree that McCain LOOKS older than Dole did.

And, anyway, it isn't the years. It's the mileage.

McCain has quite some miles on the clock.

If the folks who are disgusted with Obama and Hillary all teamed up to support Edwards - the most progressive candidate in the field - think of the power!

Oh wait, don't tell me.

Don't "misunderestimate" the weariness of the American People for Republicans...

PA will go red if McCain goes against either of the two frontrunners. I can't believe the path we are going down here.

1) Karl, calm down, take a breath.

2) Take heart, Chuck Norris just told the world that McCain is too old to be President. http://www.yahoo.com/s/787873

3) Forget, for a moment, what polls a year out are saying and look at who is showing up to vote in these primaries. Dems are showing up 2 to 1 to Republicans. That's a really good sign.

4) McCain hasn't one yet (although SC was a big step). Romney will do well in the Heartland, and we have not heard the last of Mr. Huckabee. The right wing media is lukewarm on McCain, at best, and there is no sign that evangelicals will turn out in droves to support the man. Their logic may well be "Let that get elected -- America will see what kind of anti-Christian, flag-burning, ACLU loving, Toby Keith hating, anti-gun, anti-NASCAR, anti-Larry-the-Cable-Guy President is and we'll win congress and the White House back before you can say Ted Nugent!"

5) We only see our problems right now; take a look at what's going on in Republicanland -- it's a scream, it'll do your heart good. They hate all of their potential nominees for one damn reason or another.

about why the dem nominee is the odds on favorite to win the presidency. I'm not gonna do the work for you, but here's a clue. In Iowa, NH and NV, far more dems than repukes turned out to vote. And that's just one factor.

Jeez... It seems the Edwards supporters around here are getting rather delusional lately.

McCain would be the toughest candidate to beat but the Christian Right, and the Grover Norquist brigade loathe him. The anti-McCain candidate will soon rear its head. I believe Mitt Romney will be that man. It seems that the Bush Brigade are supporting Romney. Certainly Jeb is in Florida.

In November it will be Romney v Clinton.

John McCain can then take Mark Salter and write another bestselling book, explaining how he was yet again unfairly ambushed and smeared by the Bush team, and he will have a new sob story to replace South Carolina 2000.

Some people never learn.

being right in November will be little consolation.

It will be pResident Mittens. You forget that the Chamber of Commerce hasn't completely weighed in yet. McCain is handy in the south to help slap down huckelberry, then he will no longer be useful.

once the primaries are over the campaign begins. and the democrats have SO MUCH shit to fling the republicans do not stand a chance. my opinion.

Thanks, pal. We were starting to feel just a little too good about ourselves.

not.

He looks and sounds exhausted.

He hasn't even won their nomination yet either.

In a related story, the Giants whipped the Packers yesterday in sub-zero temps. At Lambeau.

over the head with the Iraq war and the many dead civilians and Brave soldiers in this illegal war..... Just keep beating that drum and you win.... unless our nominee is Hillery...

Just like this one.