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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 11:59 PM Original message |
A call for full equality |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. Lets see how many ways people will this. Should be interesting. |
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angie_love (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. So I guess ppl were lying when they said hes anti-gay |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. People are pointing out that he has homophobes in his campaign. That's not a lie. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Hillary also has a homophobe in her campaign - her Husband Bill Clinton. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #20 |
50. Why did I not know about this? This is terrible. Excellent point though. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
3. there is a special place carved out for the union of a man and a woman in our great country. nt. |
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Yuugal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. divorce court? nt |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. no, the unit of child rearing most common to every culture.nt. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Wait, you're defending DOMA? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I think he's quoting Obama. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. If he is, he should make that clear. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Yes, there is - and Hillary will make sure of it. Thank GOD for Hillary. -nt- |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. but it is a special relationship. nt. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
4. Homophobes |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Please don't twist his words. You have to give allowance that many people... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. It's not twisting his words. Obama said that homophobes are "good decent people." |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. That is unfair and no, it is not the same as saying... |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
56. White supremacists, historically and even today, |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
68. Yes, white supremacists ARE told by their churches that their beliefs are correct and desireable. |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. do you seriously not have any homophobic friends or relatives |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
69. I have zero homophobic friends - I drop anyone who reveals themselves as such. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
10. Are the members of the ex-gay movement "good, decent, moral people?" |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I would imagine that he's referring to your average church-goer... |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. So he's using religion to give them a pass? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #23 |
36. Not a pass. Understanding. |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
12. I have yet to meet a good, decent, moral person who refuses to support full equality |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Then you don't believe that people who devoutly adhere to the Christian faith... |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. So by supporting those full rights, are you not devoutly adhering to your faith? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I don't exactly understand your argument, but I'll try. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. This isn't just about "anti-gay" this is about "ex-gay" |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #29 |
55. Caldwell sounds like the devil himself, but as for McClurkin... |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:33 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. He's a "graduate" of the movement, and he actively promotes it |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Okay thanks. Yes, that is undeniably inexcusable. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Yeah, he got a whole half an hour (which is a lot, you understand) |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. The Christian faith does not determine what is good, decent, and moral |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Well said! |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. All I'm asking for is to give them a little understanding and time. |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. This conflict between heart and faith has been lived by GLBT Americans for years |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Tell that to my Catholic family, lol. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
24. A call for full equality. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. there is a special place in Amerca for all white couples. nt. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. you left out heterosexual. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. no, I said that above. nt. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Are Christian churches promoting racism?---No. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Fucked up, isn't it? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. self-delete. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
30. How about equal respect? n/t |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
38. Wow! Golly gee! |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Thanks for having an open mind... |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Like YOU want to discuss the issues? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Not true. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
40. I have to ask this. If Hillary is 100% pro-gay and lesbian rights, why is she against... |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. she's not 100%. nt. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. See what I mean? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I'm trying to discuss this, but you're attacking me. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. No, YOU are deflecting the convo AWAY from Obama. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. If you can answer my question, please answer it... |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Again, with Hillary. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. This is a subthread in which I asked about Hillary. Yes. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. So, since it's your OP... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Maybe I decided to start a sub-thread so that I didn't get absolutely annihilated... |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. If you were so secure in your statement... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Will do, thanks... |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 02:00 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Good. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
49. Thanks. |
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AGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
54. He mentioned T |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
58. Praytell, what does this have to do with global warming? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. there are carbon credits involved somehow. nt. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:53 AM Response to Original message |
64. Nice find and not in the least suprising. |
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