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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:17 AM
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How Hillary is using Bill
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:21 AM
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1. Seems to me that's more like
the way Obama is using Bill.

Can't attack Hillary on the issues or defend his own record --so he attacks Big Dog as a diversion.
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:27 AM
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2. You Clinton people are something else.
Did Obama call Bill a "fairy tale" or was it the other way around? And if somebody claimed what you had accomplished in your life was a "fairy tale" would you respond to it?

Obama did respond, and now it's game on. But please don't suggest that Obama was the instigator in this.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:32 AM
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4. Bzzzzzzzzzzt
wrong.

Bill Clinton called Obama's positioning on the Iraq War a "fairy tale". Guess what? It is. one speech in 2002 when you're not even a sitting Senator, and then later admitting you wouldn't know how you would have voted because you didn't have all the intell that the sitting Senators had is the makings of that fairy tale.

So --no soup for you --because you distort as badly as Michelle as Obama.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:32 PM
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19. Nice to see you buy into bills lies
What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made" for authorizing the war.

next sentence after the one Bill uses so guess no soup for you or bill if distortion is what takes your spoon away.

But you knew that didn't you just like lying Bill did.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:31 PM
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20. I see you ignore the sentence before
where Obama says he can't know how he would've voted, as he wasn't privy ti the same reports as those sitting in the Senate.

But we can easily speculate --he would have voted "present"
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:27 AM
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3. If a big dog goes after you, running away is the wrong tactic.
Ya gotta stand and face it down. Obama seems to understand that.

And as far as who is using/benefiting from Bill... One could worry about all the GOP voters who don't have much reason to get outta bed come election day. Another chance to vote against Bill will certainly bring out the (GOP)vote.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:34 AM
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5. wait'll the GOP gets through with Obama
it ain't gonna be pretty.

Obama better hope he knows how to land a punch --if he can whup Bill, then I'll worry less about his chances in a GE.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:45 AM
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6. Seems the GOP WANTS to take on either BHO or HRC
MSM is bent on marginalizing the candidate(s) the GOP really has no defense against.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:47 AM
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7. Who?
Edwards?

You think the GOP wouldn't be able to deal Edwards a death blow?

Hell --they already have.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:14 PM
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9. LOL Thank you for making my point
and parroting the GOP/MSM tactic :rofl:
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:17 PM
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10. I didn't make your point at all.
at one point is a candidate responsible for having a successful campaign?


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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:49 PM
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12. Wait til the GOP gets through with the Clintons
You don't think they are anxiously awaiting the Clinton nomination?

You really want to see the dirty linen hung out on the Clintons?

Even with 24/7 coverage there would be so much they couldn't get it all in.


Could Bill could run as Vice President on the ticket?

This is going to be a real winner in November...heh.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:13 PM
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17. Judging by the way the media is pimping Obama
I'd say they are scared shitless of a Hillary candidacy.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:28 PM
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18. Judging by the way Bill is pimping himself
He is doing the work for the GOP.

All the MSM has to do is keep the camera rolling on Bill.

"two for the price of one" and this country isn't going to pay that price again. Underestimate the GOP all you want.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:55 PM
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15. Let the GOP bring it on! Big Dog would love to beat them yet again.
People who (pretend to) quake at the thought of HRC on the ticket for fear it would "bring out the Republicans to vote against her" are being silly.

In the first place, those Republicans are going to come out and vote against us anyway, no matter WHO our candiudate is. In 2004, they broke records turning out for Smirk in the middle of a failed war and with disasters on every horizon. They had to overlook all his failures and somehow believe a war hero was suddenly a traitor in order to do that, so they diud. They believed what they were told to the instant they were told it. These people aren't rational; they are like mothers who refuse to admit their sons are murderers; evidence means nothing to them. Neither does righteousness, justice or truth.

And in the second place, there are more voters who like Clinton than don't like him. Electing his wife to the Presidency would constitute the biggest REJECTION of rightwing politics in history -- as well as the biggest repudiation of the MSM, and the biggest possible insult to the general wingnut population.

IOW, NOTHING WILL PISS OFF WINGNUTS LIKE CLINTON WINNING THE ELECTION!!!

Ergo... VOTE FOR CLINTON!!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:28 PM
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11. True, he attacks Bill just out of the blue - when Bill was jsut innocently doing nothing
If he ignored Hillary's attack dog, Bill. They would then say it proves he can't fight back.

My question is whether Bill is free lancing or whether this is a strategy HRC condoned. Whichever, it is likely to hurt his reputation.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:53 AM
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8. The uproar over the Reagan comment is pretty interesting
It's been reported that Patrick Moynihan, Hillary's predecessor said that the Republican party is the party of ideas. It's also been reported that Bill, in 2002 gave a speech in which he said, The Democrats have to have ideas to win. We are MIA, missing in action on national security and have no positive plan for America's domestic future. Hillary said he was one of her favorite Presidents.

Obama didn't say that they had all the good ideas.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:51 PM
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13. Shows she's one smart cookie...
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:10 PM
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16. I would have more respect
if she were running and had a reasonably accomplished husband who was in the background supporting her similar to other potential first ladies.
For it to be a former president gives her coattails. It's more like she's being ushered in.
The sad thing is I think she is a person who could have done it otherwise but simply underestimated the country and decided to sneak in the door rather than break the glass ceiling.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:43 PM
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21. I would have no respect at all for her or any candidate who does not use a former President ....
....to campaign.

It's in the history - as Truman said about JFK's Catholicism and then, when JFK was nominated, Truman went out campaigning for the Democratic candidate, whom he may not have even liked.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:36 PM
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22. Unfortunately
you missed the point.
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