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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:58 PM
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NY Times: Edwards Advisors Admit He Will Not Win A Single Primary - JRE gave it a great try!
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 02:00 PM by Dems Will Win
You have to admire John Edwards! He changed the tenor of the race and got it to focus on economics, which is where it should be with a recession or depression underway.

The article says no reason not to stay in to help Obama in SC, then he and his advisors will survey the landscape. Elizabeth has not been on the trail since Jan. 2.

His crowds are dwindling, his big money raise fizzled. Will Edwards quit after SC? He is not polling above 15% in most states after that, except OK and NC, so he would not even collect delegates, as in NV.

An admirable run by JRE, but unfortunately he could end things on Sunday. Just not his year.


But his aides have said privately that they do not expect Mr. Edwards to win a single primary state. And the results of the Nevada caucuses threw the campaign’s top advisers into hours of strategy meetings Saturday night, debating how the shellshocked campaign could feasibly continue.

In the end, the campaign held onto its longstanding position of simply hanging on. “There’s just no reason not to go to South Carolina, pick up delegates and watch the dynamics of the race play out for a while,” one adviser said.

John C. Moylan, a longtime friend and adviser in South Carolina who ran the Edwards campaign there in 2004, said Mr. Edwards could still win 15 percent of the vote in South Carolina and come away with delegates to add to those he collected in Iowa and New Hampshire.

For now, campaign donations are still trickling in. The campaign, which is accepting federal financing, has gotten used to running on a lean budget. On Friday alone, it also raised roughly $300,000 online, said Mark Kornblau, a spokesman.

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But some political strategists say Mr. Edwards also has another compelling reason to stay in, at least in South Carolina. He could end up sharing the white vote with Mrs. Clinton, thus helping Mr. Obama, whom Mr. Edwards has signaled he favors.

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Yet the crowds in South Carolina have been more tepid than they were in states that have already voted, hardly a reminder of Mr. Edwards’s victory in the state’s 2004 Democratic primary.

At a campaign rally in Myrtle Beach, a man jumped onstage and pleaded into a microphone, “Could you fill the empty space?” He urged the people in the back to cluster around the stage. “This is a rally, people.”

And the press corps following Mr. Edwards has dwindled, with fewer than a half-dozen television producers and reporters on the road with him.

Even Mrs. Edwards, who had been front and center for long stretches in Iowa and New Hampshire, has not been seen on the campaign trail since the New Hampshire primary. It is not clear if she will be in South Carolina this week at all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/21/us/politics/21edwards.html?_r=1&ex=1358571600&en=091cc890c50e529d&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin



I really want Obama to pick Edwards for VP!!!!!
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:01 PM
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1. If it's a brokered convention, anything can happen
and Edwards will be there with committed delegates, with the opportunity to influence what's in the platform.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:08 PM
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16. and proportional delegate allocations make him possibly the "king maker"
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:01 PM
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2. I don't appreciate this piece at all.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:02 PM
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3. still voting for JE in the primary
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:02 PM
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4. I've determined that if Edwards isn't on the CA primary ballot, I'm not voting
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 02:03 PM by melody
I'll support the Democratic nominee in the General, but I can't in good conscience vote for either Obama or
Clinton.

Incidentally, Edwards is far too highly regarded a political figure to be anyone's Vice President.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:04 PM
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10. Of course he is on the ballot - thsy can't change it even if he actually withdraws
(which he didn't). You can also write him in anyway.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:07 PM
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13. I mean active in any real way. Everyone is theoretically on the ballot n/t
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:02 PM
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5. Of course he should stay in the race.
First, anything can happen. Obama had no shot at becoming senator from IL, but(if I remember correctly) a late scandal propelled him to victory.

Second, if Edwards can collect enough delegates, he can decide who the next nominee will be.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:02 PM
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6. He won't be anyone's VP. He won't want it and party powers will say "it's been done."
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 02:03 PM by onehandle
Anyway, he's in until the convention and beyond.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:02 PM
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7. The moment Kerry took the mailing list from him & gave it to Obama it was a done deal
His supporters will make individual choices, of course. Some will write him in. Some will voter for different other candidates.
I had said it at the time of the endorsement that his donations are going to dry up as his supporters will get solicited by Obama now.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:03 PM
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8. Wow... If Edwards drops out, there is no reason to vote Democratic, at all.
I guess that tears it. You know, in '04 I swore that I would never again surrender my vote to the lesser of two evils; I am going to keep that vow...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:06 PM
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12. I understand -- but the lesser of two evils will be the Dem nominee. Why
essentially give your vote to the R's?

I'm in the same boat, but the thought of another Republican administration is chilling. I'll do what it takes to keep them OUT.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:41 PM
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29. I am not going to support a candidate just because of the party he/she does not belong to
- not anymore. I am going to find a party/candidate that reflects my own values and represents what I believe in (if I can)...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:04 PM
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9. "I really want Obama to pick Edwards for VP!!!!!"
I could see that happening, although it might be a tough pill to swallow for JE. I could also see him as the AG in the coming administration.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:08 PM
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15. He'd never, ever do it n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:00 PM
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28. Yeah, I think you're right, now that I've given it some thought. nt
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:04 PM
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11. I still haven't counted Edwards out.
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:08 PM
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14. I'm not counting John Edwards out either!
He'll stay in all the way to the convention! He's fighting for principles and the people. If he doesn't get the nomination, he still has a chance to get some of the positions he's fought for written into the platform for 2008.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:09 PM
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17. $300,000 online
wow how much of that came right through DU? Wasn't that the big money bomb day? Wasn't there estimates of like 100k coming just from people here?

If so you guys here at DU that contributed did more than your share of supporting your candidate. Your dedication is commendable.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:40 PM
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24. If I remember correctly, about $18,000 came from DU on the 18th --
The big reason that the "money bomb" wasn't a biggie was that Ron Paul's money bomb was organized over a period of months --- the donation day of the 18th for Edwards was announced, I think, one to two weeks before the 18th. Not nearly enough time to build to a crest.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:11 PM
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18. Edwards has been an excellent candidate.
He has always been my second choice. It is frustrating that his populist message did not get more traction.

It is one of the most important issues of our time. I hope we have not heard the last of Senator John Edwards
in the political discourse of our country.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:12 PM
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19. "aides said privately" ?
What are their names? What a bullsh*t article.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:16 PM
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22. Yeah... I got the same impression.
Looks to me like just more of the same ole same ole from the M$M about JE.
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:31 PM
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23. It comes from the NYTimes..wonder which horse their betting on?
After that recent attack by that Chamber Of Commerce creep, it looks like he meant business..(no pun intended)
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:14 PM
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20. so if he knows that, why is he still taking hard earned money
from the poor?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:15 PM
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21. Wow.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:43 PM
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25. I'm confused about your Obama comment. Second place candidates don't get to pick VP's.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:50 PM
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27. O sorry if you didn;t get the memo. Hillary blew the nomination by gambling on trying to make it a
black-white race. Penn was trying to get white voters in the nation to see Barack as an angry young black man, a Jesse.

It didn't work.

Obama not going to win the southern whites as much anyhow. All she did was move the black vote over to Obama which is why he is ahead now in the states with big African American votes like MD, NC, SC, GA and soon MO, IN, WS and others.

And he still has the white support in the NE, Midwest and West so she accomplished nothing and lost the black vote. Now Obama is moving up on the Latino vote.

THey will split Feb. 5th and then the next round of states are mostly good for Obama.

She has already lost for this reason, unless something big comes along to change things in the next few weeks.

She only got 160 super-delegates out of 800-something, that's what really hurt her too.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:45 PM
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26. Well, America's dumb. There's a shocker.
But if an Obama/Edwards ticket means stopping HRC, then I'm all for it.

That ticket will beat McCain.

Hillary/Whatever DLC chump will NOT.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:04 PM
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30. Bullshit on the first line
JRE did not shift the focus on the economy, the economy laying an egg during the holiday season did.

My question is; why stay in a race he seems destined to lose? The only rational explanation I have been able to conclude is it is for his own ego, especially if he thinks he'll be a kingmaker.

A big loss in SC will Deep-6 his campaign. Even if he doesn't throw in the towel after SC, he'll be lucky to pick up any delegates past that.
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