Clinton leads Obama 50% to 27% in NY State

in Democrat Voters over the age of 45. She leads him overall 48% to 28% with all Democrats. With those strongly committed to their candidate, Hillary leads Obama 79% to 58%.

http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/nyspolls/NY080121.htm

I'd expect Sen. Obama to do well in IL, too.

thread I saw earlier. I thought a bit more clarity was in order.

As clearly labeled.

The fact that he's got her under 50% in her "home state" is really an opportunity.

but nice try. He's still going to lose this delegate-rich State on Super Tuesday. In fact, the only one I see him winning outright is his home State of Illinois!

She has won both elections with over 60% of the vote. The fact that she's polling under 50 is huge. Add to that, that Hillary will probably lose many inner city districts, it's not going to be quite the blowout you think.

she'll lose many inner city districts? she hasn't before and they actually like who she is and what she's been doing for them, so ...

wishful thinking perhaps?

Especially with the Raygun good, Clinton bad shit storm.

he can pick up a lot of delegates in NYC and other cities in New York State even if he loses the state overall.

Same holds true for Obama in IL.

As far as I can see, the last poll done was over 2 months ago and he was polling at 59% with Clinton at 25%.

Looks like Insane Mccain will win this easy.

:shrug:


I mean, isn't this kinda obvious?

but an Obama Supporter had an earlier thread with the headline "Marist Poll: Obama Four Points Behind Hillary in NY" (or something like that) and I thought DUers deserved something a bit more honest than that.

I'm an Obama supporter myself, but I'm a fairness and honesty supporter first. It's silly to say Obama's even close to Hillary in New York.

Obama is 4 points behind in New York City - the poster chooses to misrepresent the title of my OP.

Thank you for clarifying. :toast:

NYC should go strongly for Hillary - I'm interested what the rest of NY state will do.

Upstate NY and the suburbs will likely go for Hillary too.

If he had time and money to spend here canvassing the state, he could take upstate NY, and either Nassau or Suffolk, probably Nassau.

it suggests she can appeal to rural independents.

is that they were VERY supportive of Alfonse D'Amato, the ex-Senator and #1 Thorn In Clinton's Side back before Schumer replaced him. She went door-to-door and literally had to reintroduce herself as she is and not the caricature they expected her to be. The people Upstate are not easily won over and certainly not fooled, and they genuinely like her, her work ethic and the fact that she's intelligent and keeps her campaign promises. If she says something will get done, it gets done. They appreciate that.

No way in hell they're going to fall for Obama's Song and Dance in Upstate, so it's no surprise he has no plans to campaign there.

so some of the upstaters voted for Schumer but not for Hillary.

Especially, keep it up with the Clenis stuff! NY-ers will love to see that one back. We are also very fond of Reagan - keep that up too! :rofl:

She's been elected Senator there twice. This is no suprise.

That Obama narrows the gap in NYC. The latte liberal group in Democratic NYC, are less inclined to be Progressive , than they are Conservatives in Democratic cloth. They have almost zero social empathy and care only about their portfolios.

I could certainly belong to that group, and given my income, would profit from it; however, call me old-fashioned, but I believe in good ole Lefty left Progressives and placing social issues above all else.

Hillary will win New York and much more.

That too is a shame for the Progressive arm of the Party, to which I belong. I'm sick enough of Conservatives, even sicker of "moderates", who don't have the courage of any conviction.