Statement By The Clinton Campaign On Senator Obama’s Violation Of The Early State Pledge

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5374

The Obama campaign today began airing paid television advertisements in a national cable buy that include advertising in the state of Florida. There is no question that these ads are a clear and blatant violation of the early-state pledge that Senator Obama and the other leading Democratic candidates signed last year.

The early state pledge was crystal clear in its prohibition against any kind of campaign activity (outside of fundraising) in states that do not adhere to the DNC calendar. There is no ambiguity. Among the list of prohibited activities are “electronic advertising that reaches a significant percentage of the voters in the aforementioned state.” (According to Nielsen, there are 6,6 million TV households in Florida that receive CNN through either local cable systems or satellite dishes. This represents 92% of all Florida TV households.) The Obama campaign knows this, but has chosen to violate the pledge regardless.

Just last week the Obama campaign snubbed the people of Florida in a memo that stated that Florida did not matter in the nominating process. After consecutive losses in New Hampshire, Michigan and Nevada, they appear to be changing course.

Senator Obama’s flagrant disregard for the pledge that he signed is disturbing and calls the integrity of the pledge into question.

CNN proclaims that Hillary Clinton has won the state of Michigan's Democratic Presidential Primary

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she got free advertising by keeping her name on the ballot and by having her name read every time they read the results. Oops your double standard is showing

I am saddened that nobody is bothered by this wanton and willful violation of the rules...

please tell me where the DNC encouraged their candidates to remain on the ballot in Michigan?



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Where did Obama buy adds in Florida?

So your contention is that she advertised after the election?

:rofl:

I thought that was significant as well.

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campaign in Michigan to vote "uncommitted" hoping to be able to choose a candidate during the convention. I want to know who was behind those campaigns.

A lot of us had to first explain why we were so screwed in MI. Then we told everyone we knew to vote uncommitted. The force behind all of us was the same force that got us to vote McCain in 2000 to piss off our fatass governor at the time. The little voices in our heads told us so.

A lot of us little people are unemployed and struggling. I remember having money..back when I had a job..before I got layed off..

himself up to criticism -- I'm interested to hear his side.


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And Clinton's claim of victory there when she shouldn't have even been on the ballot.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

they could have stayed on had they wished and they all stayed on in Florida, so that shit dont fly.

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I think a lot of people jumped on the Obama bandwagon before really knowing much about him.His style and somewhat vague message appealed to them.Now they're left defending stuff they would rather not.I've seen more posters here who started out declaring Clinton is"republican light" contort logic to explain why Obama is right for"including republicans and moderates" in his strategy.Makes no sense.

They will justify everything. Bush could claim to eat little babies and still his supporters would justify his actions.

Obama's supporters are the same way.

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Does that answer your question.
We got lots and lots of Romney and McCain commercials, but NO campaigning by ANY of them. Period.

Any second now they'll jump in and blame Chelsea.

:rofl:

:sarcasm:


Is this really the best thing the campaign had to say today?

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Who kept their name on the ballots of both Michigan and Florida after the party agreed the votes wont count in the delegate race?

Im confused, was that Obama or Hillary?

The party didn't dictate that you had to take your name off the ballot;just not campaign there....

We'll put you down in favor of cheating (too)...

All of the Democratic candidates have pledged not to campaign in Florida. But they cannot take themselves off the ballot unless they drop out of the presidential race entirely, said Mark Bubriski, spokesman for Florida's Democratic Party.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/10/10/five_democratic_hopefuls_pull_names_off_michigan_ballot/

since that's cheating as well?

And ultimately the convention itself, since that it the supreme decision-making body of the party.

I don't give a shit about a national ad buy that happens to reach FL as well as the rest of the country. I care about getting in to see a doctor, jobs coming back, being able to retire with some money in the bank.

What about the Miami Herald report that Hillary is appearing at two high profile fundraisers in FL on Jan 27th? Does that count? Do internet ads count, cause I've seen those for all candidates. Are voters in Florida getting such ads? Either way, I just don't care. I want to know why these candidates are best for America, not which candidate can be nastier than the other.

And as a Floridian I don't like being disenfranchised... Romney was forty miles of my home and The Ghoul was ten miles from my home but a nat'l Democrat is nowhere in site...

I realize the agreement allows fundraising, and both have done it. And I don't see a national ad buy as campaigning in the state. It's not a targeted ad buy.

I didn't hear any candidate threaten to boycott televised debates unless they are blacked out in FL and MI. No candidate is refusing to buy internet ads even though they appear on computers in FL and MI. We've got people dying in Iraq, people homeless in Florida, and people losing their homes in Michigan, and the campaigns are bickering about an ad buy.

I don't like you being disenfranchised either. Florida has a large and diverse population. It should not be ignored. And if an agreement is made to seat delegates in the end, then it makes even more sense that candidates are go there.

there has to be more to this story.

Word is coming that the Florida and Michigan delegates are going to count from what i hear and that with Hillary winning by a mile there, its a huge chunk.

No other reason.

then I don't see what the problem is.

Hillary's name shouldn't have even been on the ballot in Michigan.

IF this is the case, then Obama would be stupid not to run ads.

It would be unfair for her to get delegates from Michigan after the party told all the candidates not to campaign there. She should have done as the DNC asked and taken herself off the ballot.

what's the point?

She is obviously desperate for FL to be seen as counting for something.

Especially since she sees herself getting trounced in SC.

The Clinton's seem to have a plan to try and force the party into recognizing the delegates from both Michigan and Florida at the convention, in order to give Hillary two large states worth of delegates that were uncontested by the agreement of all candidates (including Hillary) before the primaries.

It could end up being the deciding numbers in the delegate counts.

That seems to be a very sleazy tactic, one not worthy of a Democratic nominee.

Howard Dean knows this.

He will not let her get away with it.

when in reality, she was already planning Campaign events in Florida, and just needed an excuse to discount the pledge.

Clintonian double standard gives Bush and Cheney's a run for their money.

as opposed to breaking any rule?

But it wasn't advertising so it doesn't count.

Have some tat for that tit, Hillary.

Guess there's also A Kucinichian, Doddian, and Gravelian double standard, as well.

on local TV.

isn't it?

And it would totally wipe out anything Obama does in South Carolina.

but don't let that stop you from trumpeting her victory.

She is manipulating people into thinking Florida really matters to the Nomination.

Just like she did with Michigan.

This was her plan from the start.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/01/14/CAMPAIGN_FLORIDA_0114.html

Hillary wants it to be critical.
That does not make it so.

Obama is running nationwide ads on CNN, MSNBC, etc.

He is not running ads on any Florida stations.

These ads aren't aimed at Florida, but at the Super Tuesday states.

But Hillary sees this as her chance to bring Florida into things.
She sees an impending loss in SC and wants something to offset this.

Mark my words, she will use this as an excuse to campaign in Florida.

This race will be over on February Fifth...

in Florida.

That's why he's the only candidate to circumvent the rules by doing so...

If you pledge not to advertise in Florida, but you automatically get Florida in a national buy, doesn't that mean you can't do a national buy?

Her ploy will fail.

You know that if it's not over on February 5, that she is in really bad shape, don't you?

The juggernaut has become a tumbleweed.

Don't believe me , look at the Intrade chart:


http://www.intrade.com/

She's almost back to where she started -SEVENTY PERCENT!!!


The only better lock is the PATRIOTS !!!

You have to admit that this market blows with the wind.

Patriots suck ass, as well.

Just wait until Saturday. Let's see what the Intraders make of that. ;)

In fact, the "intraders" have already factored it in:


http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/

I see your Queen has already ceded it to Obama, and won't even be in SC this week.
Of course it doesn't count if Hillary loses! What was I thinking?

Yet now you're hoping Obama survives Super Tuesday.

So forgive us if we don't buy your prognostication.

I am confident Obama will not only survive Feb 5, he will do well.

It is your candidate who is claiming victory in states she won less delegates from,
and doing everything she can to win delegates from states that have none to give.

Something is rotten in the state of Hillaryland.

Why does she so desperately need people to pay attention to MI and FL if she has it all wrapped up?

If you buy ads that way, is it even possible to prevent a particular state from seeing it?

This is a big to do over nothing.

Hillary will use this as an excuse for the Campaign events in Florida which she was already planning.

that action was not required. Just that they did no active campaigning in those states.

If you are running for the presidency, then it makes sense to leave your name on the ballot. Hillary complied completely with the active campaigning requirement.

Two rather inexperienced Doofuses, to get attention, took their names off the Michigan ballot. They paid a penalty for doing so when it was not required of them.

Dodd and Gravel just let their names remain on the ballot. They did no campaigning in Michigan.

Dennis either made a very astute political move by 'meaning' to take his name off the Michigan ballot and then deliberately fouled up his paperwork so that his name stayed on...or he is totally clueless and unable to function. Dennis did campaign actively in Michigan--the only candidate to violate the early state agreement. Dennis does not like rules. In that, he is much like Ron Paul.

But then, Dennis has never been a candidate has he?

Hillary complied.

If it is part of a national buy, I wonder if including Florida was a mistake. It doesn't make any sense for Obama to spend money advertising in Florida. It isn't a state he's going to win and this will just look bad when he doesn't.

Is it possible that Florida's delegates will ultimately be counted when Democrats hold their national convention, Aug. 25-28 in Denver?


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Yes, it's possible. But the process is complicated. The person who wins the nomination can't simply decide unilaterally to recognize Florida's delegates. Technically, that decision will be made by the ****Credentialing Committee of the convention*******, and that group is made up of 186 members from each state. If Florida wants to send its delegates to the convention, it will have to petition that committee.


http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/19/State/QA__Parties__penaltie.shtml



********now the way I see it....is Michigan could also petition the committee.they could get their delegates to count!

No delegates will be doled out based on these flawed results.

Its a national cable add not a Florida add. These guys twist like a preztle its getting more and more pathetic with every attack.

So now Obama cant run a national add? whats the matter clinton you spend all your dough allready?

Fucking pathetic.

Among the list of prohibited activities are “electronic advertising that reaches a significant percentage of the voters in the aforementioned state.”

Whats wrong, is it not fitting your limited vision of the world.

Obama did not specifically advertise in the local markets in Florida. Once again, The Clinton Machine puts out a piece of garbage news release intended to discredit Obama. Dirty trick.

"Among the list of prohibited activities are “electronic advertising that reaches a significant percentage of the voters in the aforementioned state.”"

I haven't read it and would like to do so. Thank you. :hi:

WHEREAS, over a year ago, the Democratic National Committee established a 2008 nominating calendar;

WHEREAS, this calendar honors the racial, ethnic, economic and geographic diversity of our party and our country;

WHEREAS, the DNC also honored the traditional role of retail politics early in the nominating process, to ensure that money alone will not determine our presidential nominee;

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the nominating calendar.

THEREFORE, I John Edwards, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as “campaigning” is defined by the rules and regulations of the DNC. It does not include activities specifically related to raising campaign resources such as fundraising events or the hiring of fundraising staff.

http://www.johnedwards.com/news/headlines/20070901-four-state-pledge/

Best link so far on DNC definition of campaigning

"'Campaigning' for the purposes of this includes...purchasing print, Internet, or electronic advertising that reaches significant percentage of the voters in aforementioned state; hiring campaign workers; opening an office; making public appearances; holding news conferences; coordinating volunteer activities...holding events to which Democratic voters are invited; attending events sponsored by state or local Democratic organizations..."

http://www.nationalreferendum.org/primary.html

3rd story, same issue in the last few minutes.

And they say the Clinton campaign is 'coordinated".