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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:58 PM
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Obama's health care plan is NOT universal. What on earth is he thinking?? nt
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:59 PM
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1. He's thinking we have to save money for the troops for the wars he doesn't support. I think.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:00 PM
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3. I don't know but Obama's health care plan sucks! nt
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:06 PM
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16. Sounds more like a health care in need of respiration and fast.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:00 PM
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2. ...does Hillary's support funding illegals? I need to know. thanks.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:03 PM
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9. No. None of the 3 candidates support illegal coverage. nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:00 PM
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4. He's thinking most people don't do the research.
And only read the headlines and he'll get away with it.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:01 PM
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6. Ding, ding. We have a winner. eom
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:01 PM
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5. I have no idea
Edwards is right on this one. It's a threshhold issue, just like Social Security. It needs to be mandatory to work.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:03 PM
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10. Egg-zactly.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:02 PM
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7. he's not thinking
that would be the problem
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:02 PM
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8. I can't believe this either. I do not support Obama. I will get heat for this here now.
America needs universial health care.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:04 PM
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12. IT DOES! What's wrong with this man??? Why is Obama against universal health care??? nt
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:17 PM
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27. He's trying to have "broader appeal" ...
to independents and REPUBLICANS.

Which means undercutting Democratic principles.

Ugh.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:44 PM
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29. :( All I can say is, I'm very frustrated. nt
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:04 PM
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11. and he LIED about Johns plan
John subsides the poor.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:06 PM
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14. He did. What's up with that? nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:06 PM
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15. Tax credits or subsidies?
It's not the same thing. And what he said is that giving hardship exemptions or fines without coverage LEAVES PEOPLE OUT. Edwards and Clinton are not being honest about their health care plans.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:15 PM
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18. subsidies for people who make up to 100,000K per year
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 09:16 PM by LSK
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:17 PM
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19. Edwards' plan subsidizes the poor up to 100%. ...
Not tax credits, since many poor don't pay income taxes.
Edwards' plan provides subsidies, at varying degrees, up to an income of $100,000. a year.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:25 PM
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22. What about the hardship exemptions?
and fines without coverage.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:39 AM
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23. 100%
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:05 PM
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13. It doesn't MANDATE People Into Homelessness
Check out all the hardship exemptions in Massachusetts to know you have to do costs before mandates, which is exactly the same as Edwards' plan, by the way.
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:09 PM
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17. My Gosh some of you don't get it
Would you rather be forced to buy something you can't afford or get a fine OR would you like that at least your children get insurance and get the damn system reformed so you can afford insurance.

Hillary's plan is not fiscally responsible given the countries current financial climate. It is why it could not get passed in NY or in '93.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:42 AM
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24. WORD!! WORD!!!
people really need to research before they post-

thank you for knowing what is happening.
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teleharmonium Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:18 PM
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20. mind reading
He's thinking Americans don't want a bureaucracy shoved down their throat. He will make the coverage possible, which is all anyone is actually capable of doing in the real world. Being able to opt out is a must. Obama's plan has shades of brilliance, you should read about it in detail.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:22 PM
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21. I'm just saying what he said. His health plan is not universal. nt
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:09 PM
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25. He is thinking DLC
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:10 PM
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26. He's thinking about his long lost Corporate Daddy! nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:19 PM
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28. Kucinich is the ONLY candidate offering a "HealthCare" Plan.
Kucinich's MediCare for ALL Plan immediately reduces the cost of healthcare about 30% by eliminating the FOR PROFIT Insurance and HMOs from the game. His is also the MOST socially equitable plan available.

All the rest offer FOR PROFIT Health Insurance Plans. BIG difference.

Edwards comes close with a plan that also offers availability of a Non-Profit Government operated (MediCare like) plan that will compete with (and hopefully drive out of business) the FOR PROFIT carriers.

Hillary has a MANDATORY Private FOR PROFIT Health Insurance Scam that directly funnels $MILLIONS ($Billions ?) of taxpayer dollars into the pockets of her biggest campaign contributors.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:48 PM
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32. I know. And if I could wave a magic wand and make people vote for Kucinich, and I thought there was
a chance.... but there isn't. This country's minds are controlled by the media.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:44 PM
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30. Sorry but he's right.
Unless we go single-payer which we can't do without a Dem president and a much greater majority, then it's wrong to mandate coverage. All we'd be doing would be mandating a lot of those people to buy private insurance -making the problem worse and punishing the poor. If it's not single-payer then I think people deserve a choice. Not to mention it makes the plan a whole lot easier to pass among moderates and republicans which we need until we get a much greater majority.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:47 PM
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31. :( He has no in-between plan. He will not bring back the tax rates of the rich to what they were
before? He will not do this, he will not do that. :( What will he do that's new?
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