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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:35 PM
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It's her contempt for South Carolinians that I find so unattractive
Look, Hill knew that she was going to piss off a lot of people in that state when she went gonzo on Obama. And she doesn't give a fuck. She knows she'll never have a chance there in the general. She assumes, probably correctly, that she has the nomination, and she's got a plan to minimize Obama's win there next Saturday. The plan: Her spokespeople will point out ad nauseum that he won because he's a black candidate in a state where 50% of the dem voters are black. It'll kill two birds with one stone. And I really don't need to say more than that.

This just demonstrates one thing: the ugliness of her campaign.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:36 PM
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1. Its her deep affection of Rupert Murdoch that makes me vomit
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:37 PM
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2. she wanted Obama to attack her
so he would scare white voters away from him.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:37 PM
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3. It's her dishonest campaign that makes me sick.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:37 PM
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4. John Edwards and Barack both showed a lot of humanity tonight. Hillary couldn't or wouldn't.
Whoever advised Hillary to pull out the knives and make scowls throughout the debate did her should be taken to the woodshed.

Hillary was way up on the anger meter tonight and it was a turn off.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:45 PM
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15. Yes, a woman isn't allowed to be angry in public.
Good luck with that, sweetie.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:48 PM
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18. Aww...the gender card.
You pulled that quick.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:09 PM
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29. It is a reflex. Like a dog salivating over a ham bone. She can't help it
Bless her heart. :)
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slingsam Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:49 PM
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20. thank you....
and I am man......

so...non-partisan!!!!
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:58 PM
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26. Being angry 24/7 isn't a good image for anyone
Also bad for the bood pressure.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:37 PM
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5. Will many African Americans then fall out of love with Bill?
If you're right, then it's a pretty ugly thing for her to have done tonight. Winning at all cost. Ug-lee.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:38 PM
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6. "ad nauseam," please. Accusative case.
Thanks!

Sincerely,

The Joint Campaign Against In Memorium (sic) and Ad Nauseum (sic).
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:38 PM
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7. Your post just demonstrates the ugliness of your post.
Before you declared your Obama support you had a lot of people fooled - they thought you were reasonable. I was one of those people.

Fool me once shame on ..... whatever....
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:41 PM
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9. I've always been fair to her. I've defended her a lot on here.
I can't say I ever liked her, but I didn't care for the sexist and bullshit attacks on her. Now? Sadly, I just don't care anymore. I think she'd do anything to win.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:53 PM
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23. As will you. What does that make you?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:40 PM
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8. Not surprisingly, cali, we disagree.
I believe Senator Clinton does care about South Carolinians in as much as she purports to lead them roughly a year from now.

You assert that she "doesn't give a fuck."

That's a baseless charge. You're parading your anger instead of offering analysis.

It takes a lot of damn nerve to stand in front of bright lights in front of a cable-connected globe and stand up for yourself, and I saw three people doing that this evening.

One of those three is likely to be our next president.

And it might even be one you don't care for.

But that doesn't give you the right to presume she "doesn't give a fuck."

Shame on you.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:44 PM
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12. well said.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:45 PM
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13. She attacked disingenously.
And sorry, there's plenty of evidence that her campaign has been playing dirty- the lawsuit in NV was hardly by disinterested parties. The long string of comments by surrogates. And you're wrong: I'm not even angry at this point- simply resigned and disgusted.

No shame here. Go scold someone else.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:47 PM
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17. It's your post, I responded.
Harsh talk directed at a Democratic candidate for public office.

A woman with an Ivy League education.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:47 PM
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16. All three give a fuck
Thanks for your fair post.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:41 PM
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10. Senator Clinton was very presidential this evening. She was
obviously an adult on the stage.

Obama may be a great VP. He will benefit from her example and leadership. Had Edwards taken adv advantage of his time with her, he would be closer to the top today but I also appreciate his addition to the debate.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:43 PM
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11. styersc, in an election cycle like 2008, based on the scope and depth of
sentiment in your post, I want you in the trenches next to me.

Damn straight, bold & clear, and thank you.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:51 PM
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22. I've been snarky, emotional, overcome and now I'm just going
to fall back on honest. TIme for the serious folks to ge a grip on this process (and this forum)
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:45 PM
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14. Hillary Clinton wants to win South Carolina.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:49 PM
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19. "Fairy Tale" - they are both guilty
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:50 PM
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21. Watch, she's going to go to Florida in the next few days.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:55 PM
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24. It's her contempt for PEOPLE that I find so unattractive.
Hillary, like Chimpy, feels that she has a "right" to be president. She doesn't give a shit about undoing the damage that has been done to this country for the last 28 years, because she is part of the problem.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:56 PM
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25. Cali, I've been watching debates since 1968
Obama wiped the floor with HRC.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:59 PM
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27. Strong when strength was called for and able to make the audience laugh. They liked him.
But Hillary got a lot of boos for her cheap attacks and hypocrisy.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:28 AM
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30. Your analysis is dead on.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 08:28 AM by GalleryGod


At the end of this wild ride if Hill/Bill manages to wrest the power back from Dean and good dems..her Pyrrhic nomination will make Hubert Humphrey's in 1968 look like Winston Churchill in comparison.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:42 AM
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32. You must have watched a different debate than I saw
Neither one of them came out looking anything but petty (and quite frankly, rather shallow).
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:00 PM
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28. Once again, we agree 100%. I thought her attitude and arrogance were totally disrespectful and
contemptuous to the people of S Carolina. I'll be surprised if she even comes in 3rd now. But as you said, she doesn't care. She's running a scorched earth campaign and fuck whoever gets in her way.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:32 AM
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31. "She assumes, probably correctly, that she has the nomination"
There is the contradiction in your case. If Hillary assumed that she has the nomination the last thing that she would do is not give a fuck how she is perceived by Obama's black base. If she was confident she has the nomination she would concentrate on mending fences to unite the Party behind her. Hillary may be a lot of things but stupid is not one of them
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:56 AM
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33. K & R
:kick:
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