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PSR40004 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:04 AM
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Does Dean have "thin skin"
I keep hearing this on the news this morning but in every clip when he's talking I don't exactly get that. Is it just me or is the media trying to start a fight between the Clinton and Dean wings of the Dems?
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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:06 AM
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1. Humm...Are you sure you are posting this on the right forum???
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:09 AM
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2. Nope, Lieberman is thin skinned and has a huge
sense of entitlement.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:10 AM
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10. Oh right, the guy who smiles off the rude boos he gets every debate
(from the supporters of other candidates)>

compared to a spoiled little runt who goes nuts if you look at him wrong.

And spins the topic in every which way but the truth.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:12 AM
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11. Who would you suggest then, as an alternative? (n/t)
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:20 AM
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12. Clark, Kerry, or Edwards
even Lieberman would be a better candidate
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:30 PM
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21. If they are better... why can none of them beat Dean?


Lieberman and CLark can't win the GE because they have nothing to run on but being bigger hawks than the other dems.

Kerry can't win because he's not running on anything but attacking Dean.

And Edwards... is he even running?
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:49 PM
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26. not that the primary electability=gen.election electability everHad merrit
that argument is baseless, however it's become clear that the GOP now can very successfully sabotage democratic primaries and Dean would not be where he was if they weren't helping.

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pnziii Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:12 AM
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3. They are really afraid of Dean
If they weren't afraid of him they wouldn't spend so much time attacking him.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:21 AM
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5. hey pnziii, welcome to the dragon's lair
DU, that is!!

:toast: :bounce: :toast:
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:23 AM
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13. Dean brings REAL CHANGE to U.S. politics as usual and they're ALL
afraid.

Dean '04...
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:10 PM
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22. Clark's not afraid of Howard Dean
Yesterday Dean or his campaign attacked Clark for his new ad with Clinton.

Meanwhile Clark stays positive, keeps campaigning, & has not been a part of the attack war.

I find it laughable that Clark, with his history, could possibly be afraid of Dean.

Courage is shown by a history of acts, not by talking, talking, talking.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:31 PM
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25. Be happy.
Dean '04...
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:52 PM
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17. Hi pnziii!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:15 AM
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4. Sounds like a whiner to me.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:26 AM
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6. Probably not, but if he's accused
of having thin skin, then any denial on his part is proof of it.

This is the "When did you stop beating your wife?" kind of attack.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:36 AM
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7. I don't think so
If I were Dean, I would have said much worse things about the DNC, DLC, the other candidates, and Bush once the gang-up started to happen...but my skin is thin. The man just needs to take a few days off and recenter himself. No one is able to completely ignore constant attacks from all sides every day for weeks. It was bound to get to him sooner or later which is exactly what the others wanted. I'm happily suprised it took this long for it to get to him.

It's funny how we're discussing thin skin on this forum considering most people here can't handle one negative thing said about their candidate without going nuts. And yes, supporters from ALL candidates are guilty so don't bother straddling that high horse with me DU'ers.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:40 AM
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8. I hope so
We have a thick-skinned president, and look where that got us.

Kanary
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:05 AM
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9. nope...i don't buy that line for s second
but...by portraying himself as under seige, he solidifies his defenders. just like a Q-back may feign a limp to motivate his defensive line.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:30 AM
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14. Media manipulation!
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 11:37 AM by party_line
Yikes :scared:

;)

Brian_ex-pat posted this on another thread but it attests to the thickness of Dean's skin:

snip>
Well, in his final gubernatorial election, Dean had a controversial civil unions bill he had to guide through the legislature and sign. He had a candidate running to his left AND a right-wing candidate who was better funded than he.

If the CU brouhaha wasn't enough, he also was subjected to a direct hateful assault from the RR. He and his family received numerous death threats. He had to wear a bulletproof vest for the campaign.

His opponents called him a "faggot." Little old ladies during campaign stops came up and denounced him as a "fucking queer-lover." Advertisements from the "Take Back Vermont" people had his head in gay porn pictures.

If that still wasn't enough, he had a majority against CUs in the state when he started out AND had to win a majority of the vote, or the Republican legislature would pick the winning candidate (who would NOT be him). He had a Nader-style candidate running to his left AND a super-funded Republican with legions of out-of-state religious right wing volunteers.

Not only did he defeat both and claim a majority vote, but he also turned around public opinion to a majority favourable to civil unions.

So yes, the VT elections WERE "rough and tumble affairs," and, in fact, Dean is the only one of the nine candidates who has experience winning in "unsafe" districts with controversial issues and a challenge from both a well-funded right winger with a hot button issue AND a Nader-style candidate. Thanks for giving me a chance to reiterate that.

It's time to get America out of the Bush League.


Dean isn't worried for himself but he's considering the bigger picture. So's the GOP, incidentally:

snip>
Republican strategists, meanwhile, are watching it all with barely contained glee. "They are beginning to really gouge this guy," Republican pollster Bill McInturff said about Dean, chuckling. "Look at Howard Dean and, as a Republican, think about the advertising we're going to run."

McInturff said Republicans could use John Kerry's quotes about Dean wanting to tax the middle class, or the "wonderful attack" from Wesley Clark about Dean's draft status or the "terrific comments" from Joe Lieberman about Dean's stance on Saddam Hussein's capture.

Kerry has criticized Dean's plan to roll back all of President Bush's tax cuts, including those for the middle class. Clark has assailed Dean for heading to the ski slopes after getting a medical deferment to avoid military service in Vietnam. Lieberman has ridiculed Dean's assertion that Saddam's capture did not make Americans safer.

For now, Republicans don't have to worry about beating up on Dean, who is ahead of his fellow Democrats in the polls nationally and in states with early nominating contests. His Democratic rivals are taking care of the job.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20031230_130.html

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Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:32 AM
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15. It's like Tricia Enright said:
"It seems like the Washington candidates have figured out the only state they can run in: desperation."
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:40 AM
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16. Enright...
I love her for her mind :loveya:
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Adjoran Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:25 PM
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19. she can fish, too!
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:55 PM
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18. Thin Skin? ...or he just doesn't put up with the crap everyone else does?
Dean's a fighter, I think this confuses a lot of people who aren't used to this kind of spirit.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:14 PM
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24. When he really had a chance to fight
He went skiing.

Talk is cheap.

Shrub talks tougher than anyone, & he's a chicken.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:27 PM
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20. Nope he just hits back instead of sulking and taking it like Gore did.


Anytime Dean fights back against attacks they accuse him of being too angery or too thin skined... buncha crap.

Dean is fighting back and winning because of it and these other folks have no idea what to do.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:13 PM
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23. Is that what you call moaning to Terry McAuliffe? n/t
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:09 PM
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27. My wife has thin skin
She's always cold. Sucks when on long trips.
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