HRC's debate performances.

<~~ please note that I am an Edwards supporter. I don't support Hillary not because she is a woman, but because of who she is, what she stands for and what she DOESN'T stand for. Too DLC for me.

That said, she is a VERY intelligent woman, and makes a lot of VERY good points in the debates -- but for me, it is getting lost in the delivery.

I am seeing a pattern and that is that when she confronted, she gets LOUD. Not just loud, but YELLING loud at times. If you look back to the past debate threads -- several of us have noticed it (why is Hillary yelling? Is Hillary's mike louder than the others?) but it was just last night when it hit me that it is a pattern and not a positive one.

It makes her look defensive and not in a "good angry" way, but in a not in control of the situation way.

Before the big "a woman can't get angry mysoginy" pile-on starts, this has nothing to do with a woman and righteous anger -- it has to do with HILLARY'S particular God-given temperament and my lack of comfort with it. "RW talking point" and "sexist" responses do not need apply.

Anyway that is what my friend said - he said she reminded him of the way his mother used to screech when he didn't do what she wanted. Hey don't flame me or shoot the messenger.

:D

One of my close ones so loved Gore she has spent the years since the election was stolen from him spitting nails, and she told me she would never vote for Hillary even if they paid her.

I'm guessing.

Because she doesn't come across that way to me, though I'm aware she does to other's.

It is my perception. YMMV.

on the average, non-political-junkie viewer?

I firmly believe most people get their news information from MSM. Once they start showing an interest in the elections, they tune in to the debates. Beyond the talking heads on TV (and, sadly, probably RW radio), the debates are the one way they get a direct feel for a candidate.

Most people don't research to the degree we do online, nor do they get to see the candidates in person.

So, with that said, the debate performances are indeed very important to the candidates. And, even though it's unfair, it's often the only shot they have to connect with the average viewer.

I'll leave Edwards out of my observation.

I agree with what you said about Hillary (I'm female, BTW). On one hand, she tends to come across as strong and consistent which is a great trait; on the other hand, it can go a bit too far to the extreme as you described here very well. She certainly did come across as attacking Obama strongly last night. I don't have a dog in the fight between the two of them, but I can see how it would have been off-putting for uncommitted voters. For anyone against Obama watching (for whatever reason), it may have played well.

Most people agree Obama gives beyond awesome speeches. Yet his debate performances and TV interviews do not have the same quality. Obama supporters see his "pauses" as a brilliant mind reflecting on what he's going to say. The average person who isn't as well aware of his brilliant mind sees someone who appears to be "off" and not sure of himself.

His intensity in the first half of the debate was welcome for me. I was glad to see him angry; we all should display some anger about the mess we're in. But, like Hillary, he went a bit too far and his anger seemed a little out of control. I don't think he SAID anything out of line, it was just in his mannerism. He totally rebounded in the second half, in my opinion.

As always, this is indeed IMHO.


edit for effects of flu...lol

I don't have a dog in the hunt between them any more either. :hi:

on the "news" shows than they really watch the debates themselves. And you can bet that the media goes over them with a flea comb for clips that they can use on the candidates later . . .

As an uncommitted voter, I keep going back and forth between her and Gravel (the one who actually REPRESENTS me). I'll tell you the influence of debates over this voter:

right after debates I am always almost ready to say: that's it! She's got me!
Even my guy who usually reminds me to vote my priorities (i.e - war), concedes at this point: she is a fantastic debater!