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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:10 PM
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Obama, on his obligations as a Christian...
"And I was reminded that it is my obligation, not only as an elected official in a pluralistic society but also as a Christian, to remain open to the possibility that my unwillingness to support gay marriage is misguided, just as I cannot claim infallibility in my support of abortion rights."

Barack Obama
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:11 PM
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1. And your candidate's opinion on gay marriage would be...
what?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:20 PM
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5. Whatever it is, it will not rely on superstition.
Sorry, my atheism is a big reason why I cannot get behind Obama.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:27 PM
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8. You don't have a problem with Hillary praying with Rick Santorum?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:36 PM
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12. Did she?
Was the whole Senate involved? I don't expect any candidate to be openly skeptical of religion. Since this is a majority-Christian nation, I know full well that I am choosing secular government, but not necessarily a skeptical candidate. If there were a strong secular party, maybe I would join it. But there isn't.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:47 PM
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19. They were part of the same Capitol Hill prayer group n/t
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:18 PM
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28. What prayer group is that?
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:45 PM
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33. The Fellowship
Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection.


http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:13 PM
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2. Guess he's pandering to everyone except Muslims. nt
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:14 PM
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3. And does the second half of that sentence imply that he may change his mind on Roe v. Wade?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:20 PM
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4. he has said that his support of choice may not be infallible. nt.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:21 PM
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6. NARAL and Planned Parenthood don't seem to think so.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:22 PM
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7. Obama wants to keep an open mind on issues of morality? Shocking and horrifying.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:34 PM
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9. how is gay marriage an issue of morality? nt.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:36 PM
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13. How is it not?
If it were a pure matter of civil rights vis-a-vis legal benefits, well, Obama fully supports civil unions.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:38 PM
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14. I'm asking, what are the moral components? nt.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:39 PM
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15. How is it?
You are putting forth the proposition that homosexuality has a moral implication. It is up to you to explain why. Nevertheless, you needn't bother. We all know the immorality of homosexuality and the sanctity of heterosexual marriage comes from the Abrahamic religions. One might ask just what those religions have to do with morality.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:44 PM
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16. All issues of sexual behavior, love, and compassion are entwined with morality.
Pretending they aren't is closing one's eyes.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:48 PM
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21. Singling out gays suggests an added moral dimension that ...
... heterosexuals don't have. Again, what is the basis for that?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:51 PM
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25. I believe the basis is a completely bogus one.
However, gays are singled out whether you like it or not. Heterosexuals can marry as they please. Homosexuals cannot.

Although I appreciate his support for civil unions, Obama is dead wrong on the issue of gay marriage.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:47 PM
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18. Marriage is not a moral issue. It's unfortunate to have candidates perpetuating
that idea.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:49 PM
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23. I disagree.
In fact, since I find that homosexuality is not immoral, I find that opposition to gay marriage is itself immoral. If a system of morality does not find a baseless attempt to prevent two persons is love from marrying "immoral," I would have to question the viability of that system of morality.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:17 PM
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27. I would instead say equal rights for all citizens is a moral issue. Unfortunately,
our candidates have come down a little short of the goal.
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:52 PM
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26. it becomes a moral issue in the sense
that it is morally repugnate to allow one group of people to marry and not another
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:35 PM
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10. Is he running for Pope? Or President?
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:35 PM
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11. To those who see choice as a litmus test, some concern would not be unrealistic.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 12:36 PM by TwilightZone
If the options are:

1) "I support a woman's right to choose"

2) "I support a woman's right to choose, but I have an open mind about the issue"

I can see where there could be some concern, his record notwithstanding.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:31 PM
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29. Well, it's a serious disadvantage to have an open mind
Well, it's a serious disadvantage to have an open mind. Look at how well our current and most closed-minded of Presidents is doing so far in his inflexibility, no... wait a minute. That didn't work. Never minds. ;)
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:46 PM
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17. And hillary helps to send Torahs to Iraq for rabbi's who believe gays can be changed
:)
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:47 PM
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20. do you have a problem with him saying he is NOT INFALLIBLE?
because that is what this statement is saying in very clear english.


What would satisfy you?????


:shrug:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:49 PM
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22. This goes to what Hillary said last night. It is hard to get a straight answer from Obama
Read his book. It is chock full of Obama saying things like this in which he Romneys himself and says things all sides of an issue want to hear.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:50 PM
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24. Oh good lord, that's worse for pro-choice than it is for LGBT folks.
I hope he doesn't have a spiritual awakening when it's time to appoint a SCOTUS.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:35 PM
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30. Exactly.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:36 PM
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31. I am concerned with what he would do re: reproductive choice.
Because if you want to court, and keep, evangelicals, the main thing they care about is this issue.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:54 PM
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34. I agree and am very concerned about the careful wording of that quote in the OP.
I want to know that his support of a woman's right to choose and of gay rights are immutable.
This statement sounds like he's hedging his bet on everything.

Anyone know if the quote is verbatim and correct?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:36 PM
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32. YOu have all these fucking quotes but no links like we're
suppose to believe you cause you're fucking indiana jones..wow.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:45 PM
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35. Audacity of Hope! nt.
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