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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:06 PM
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Watching people pretend that Bill Clinton is just another spouse
on a par with Elizabeth Edwards or Michelle Obama is just embarassing. Get real. He's an ex two term president, world renowned. The guy has schoools and airports and roads named after him. He has a presidential library. He is 100x more influential than either Elizabet or Michelle. He's one of the most influential and powerful people in the world.

Pretending he's just another candidate spouse out there campaigning like any other spouse is disingenuous to the max.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:13 PM
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1. You are right on this one, Cali.
It is NOT the same as Michelle Obama or Elizabeth Edwards campaigning for their spouses. Not by a long shot.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:15 PM
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2. In America, former presidents return to their status as ordinary citizens not Kings
Ordinary citizens can campaign all they want.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:19 PM
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5. LOL!
Yes, all ordinary citizens get SS protection. Not. Ordinary citizens can pick up the phone and get any world leader instantly. Ordinary citizens get paid hundreds of thousand of bucks for a speech.

You might be deserving of a shred of respect if you ever uttered an honest word. Ex U.S. Presidents form the most exclusive club in the world- and one of the most powerful.

Saying you're full of it is redundant.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:33 PM
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12. So you think ex presidents are some kind of royalty instead of regular citizens?
So what if they get protection
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:16 PM
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3. He will be at the end of this...
At the rate his credibility is evaporating.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:17 PM
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4. na na na na na naaaaaaaaa.
Jesus, get a grip, he's her husband. Why don't you pull up some of the things Michelle has said that Obama can't say.

It's politics, jeezum christ.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:20 PM
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6. The fact of the matter is that he is a private citizen now, and he has every right to actively speak
out for his wife...just as the others are speaking for their husbands.

Did anyone ask Elizabeth to shut up when she said she felt like her choices in life, made her a happier person than Hillary Clinton is? She's happier than Hillary, she said.

Did anyone ask Michelle to shut up when she said she was convinced that Black America would "wake up and get it." (Meaning, any African-American, like me, who does not support her husband, doesn't "get it.")

Bill Clinton is now a private citizen, and he can campaign for his wife if he chooses. Deal with it.
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kickitup Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:27 PM
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8. Come On
She is running and has always run on her husband's coattails. Obama and Edwards are neither one where they are because of who their wives are. I was going to vote for Hillary if Obama doesn't get the nomination, but if Bill Clinton doesn't shut up I will not.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:57 PM
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16. You couldn't be further from the truth. And your comment is an insult to women everywhere
Sen. Clinton is her own person. Your comments suggest that you think she needed Bill Clinton to get where she is in life. WRONG.

- When her classmates at Wellsley asked her to give the commencement speech, Bill Clinton wasn't responsible. In fact, she didn't even know him then. Her classmates selected her because of the way she was able to speak for them and bring together groups of people on campus.

- When she was asked to come to Washington, DC and serve on the impeachment proceedings against Richard Nixon, it was because she was recognized as a brilliant legal mind. It wasn't because Bill Clinton was her boyfriend.

- When she went to work for Marian Wright Edelman at the Childen's Defense Fund, and went door-to-door in disadvantaged neighborhoods, Bill Clinton didn't get her that job.

- When she became the first woman to make partner at the Rose Law Firm, it wasn't because Bill Clinton was her husband.

The point being that she has accomplished what she has, become of her amazing intelligence and grasp of the issues.

Furthermore, do you think that Bill Clinton shouldn't defend his wife, when she is referred to as "Senator Punjab" by the Obama camp?

Do you think Bill Clinton shouldn't defend his wife, when the Obama camp says "Hillary Clinton isn't a phony. She just plays one on tv."

Do you think Bill Clinton shouldn't defend his wife, when David Axelrod says she bore responsibility for Butto's death?


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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:31 PM
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10. Yeah, it's not like he's a ringer for a proper spouse lol
Wow, these objections are sexist about Bill Clinton -- he's "too powerful" a spouse.

I guess having a woman presidential candidate is already changing things.

Pass the popcorn.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:21 PM
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7. A woman is big change; we have no tradition of a superspouse
The superspouse is male, of course. Maybe not in the future, but now.

So how does one treat a superspouse? We're making history here. (:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:29 PM
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9. Of course he's not JUST ANOTHER spouse - but he is a spouse,
so there are certain things he is expected - and I would say - entitled to do.

With regard to the different weight he carries: Every candidate uses the assets they have.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:36 PM
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13. hey, I have no problem with that take on it.
I think that's about right, but the bullshit about how he's just another candidate spouse is just dishonest, and it's on display in this thread.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:31 PM
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11. Definitely a different situation, and a completely new one, but his role is the same
as the others spouses' roles.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:40 PM
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14. So? He's still a citizen of the United States and we still have Freedom of Speech, so he can
participate in any election he chooses to and say anything he wants. Funny how people didn't mind him campaigning for our candidates in 2004. After Kerry won, he campaigned for him. Why is Hillary any different? Bill Clinton is afforded the same rights as everyone else in this country. What? You think ex Presidents should be banned from campaigning for our party? Or is it just ex Presidents who are campaigning against your candidate in a primary that should be banned?
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:41 PM
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15. Watching Obama supporters wail
because Hillary has one of the country's, if not the world's, most talented politicians leading her campaigners is just embarassing. This isn't a handicapped race. Each candidate is allowed to use the resources s/he has to the fullest. If Obama's not married to an ex-President, he'll just have to deal with it.
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