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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:18 PM
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Why did Hillary feel a need to attack Obama when he pointed out that
she'd been on the board at Walmart?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:20 PM
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1. Why does Obama hate poor people for shopping at Walmart? Why is he such a snotty elitist?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:20 PM
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4. I think he despises the thousands that work there. nt.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:52 PM
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31. Right, because working and shopping there is completely comparable to SERVING ON THE F***ING BOARD
Come on, you can surely at least try harder than that.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:55 PM
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34. oh, the board of Walmart is evil, the customers and employees are not. I will pray on it. nt.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:56 PM
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35. This is a frigging nightmare
Democrats, on DU, defending Wal-Mart's corporate board. What site is this?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:58 PM
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36. so Walmarts corporate board is evil? nt.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:04 PM
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38. Err... yes
That's kind of axiomatic for anyone who believes in sustainable economy, women's rights, labor rights, and fair international trade.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:05 PM
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39. so Hillary Clinton is evil? nt.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:20 PM
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2. It was a pretty tough slam.
The audience reacted like it too.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:20 PM
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3. he was attempting to use an issue that's 16 years old
to try and damage her to those who don't like what Wal-Mart has become, not what it was when Sam was alive and she was on the Board.

The Rezko mess IS something people should be aware of, though, and because Hillary called him out on it, the Media -- after sitting on it for over a year -- is FINALLY reporting on it.

Some sticky wicky stuff there.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:21 PM
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5. But it's part of her 35 years of experience, no? nt
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:23 PM
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7. I don't know that she points to that specifically
when she has a whole laundry list to choose from.

fyi:

Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House years:

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:23 PM
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9. I don't know that she points to those specifically. nt
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:23 PM
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8. Does he hate the fact that she fought for women and higher pay while on the board?
Why does he hate women and poor people?
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:25 PM
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10. 'fought' 'supported' 'advocated'
What did she accomplish?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:27 PM
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17. Eveyone got a new car
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:53 PM
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32. If her "fighting" is that ineffective
do you really want her as President?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:23 PM
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6. So, she's not proud of having been on the board?
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 07:24 PM by hedgehog
Why didn't she explain all the good things she did on the board?
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:26 PM
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12. didn't say that
She fought for women to break the glass ceiling and move into positions of authority (corporate, managers, etc) while she was on Board and also fought successfully for Wal-Mart's workers to have a comprehensive health plan and ability to purchase company stock, which they still do.

She did a pretty good job working as an unapologetically intelligent, out-spoken lady with a bunch of good ol' boys -- who, except for Sam, hated her with a passion; they thought she should be home being a wife -- in the South during the 1980s until 1992.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:26 PM
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13. Walmart is an Arkansas company
it would make sense for someone of Hillary's stature in Arkansas to be on the board.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:28 PM
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19. What Wal-mart has become???
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

HOW DO YOU FUCKING THINK THEY GOT TO BE WHERE THEY ARE???

Good honest mom and pop small town retailer selling American make products at a price that allows everyone that works there to make a decent living and still give customers good products, good service, and a fair price?

Yup, Wal-mart was sooo like that when Sam was alive and Hillary was on the board.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

I never thought I'd see the day when Wal-Mart, possibly the most anti-American, anti-Union global corporatist company in the world, gets defended here at DU.

But then, I never thought I'd see lawsuits filed by DEMOCRATS to suppress the vote either.


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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:30 PM
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21. the rampant expansion of Wal-Mart in the behemoth it is
plus the abandoning of American made products began in earnest after Sam died which coincided with Hillary leaving the Board. Look up the history yourself.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:46 PM
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41. Oh really...
Why don't you read a book that Sam wrote (I guess he did this BEFORE he died)...

Here is excerpt from an article about it:

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But coffee taxes only went so far. Walton understood that a major requirement for keeping costs down was controlling the payroll. As he would write in his 1992 autobiography, Made in America, "No matter how you slice it in the retail business, payroll is one of the most important parts of overhead, and overhead is one of the most crucial things you have to fight to maintain your profit margin." Not only did Walton prefer to hire as few people as possible, but he also dreaded paying them more than he had to. Unions were particularly feared, and Walton did everything he could to fight them, almost always successfully.
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Yup, when good'ole Sam was alive, he sure liked those unions and paying fair wages. Yup.

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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:25 PM
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11. Because Obama made it sound "dirty" being on the Board....
On the contrary, being on the Broad as the first female member was an honor and an opportunity to provide diverse opinions in a crowd of greedy old men.

Obama needed his ears boxed.............:spank:
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:27 PM
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18. not to mention his wife worked on the Board of a company
as of 9 months ago whose main -- and almost only! -- customer was, and still is, Wal-Mart. She pocketed a cool $50,000 a year plus stock options, but you won't hear Obama bring that up.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:32 PM
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22. You don't say!




Well I'll bookmark this! May need it later I think

Excellent.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:35 PM
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23. the company is called Treehouse
and the campaign convinced her to leave 9 months ago. The Obama Supporters will say "big deal, she didn't work FOR Wal-Mart", but, if it wasn't a problem, the campaign wouldn't have been skittish and asked her to give up that sweet paycheck.

Remember, she IS a corporate attorney, so one wonders who ELSE she's worked with and for.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:43 PM
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25. We should refer to Michelle
as "Pickles II"
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:46 PM
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27. Confession time: I worked for a company whose main customer
was Wal-Mart! When Wal Mart is a major produce retailer and your company packs onions; you sell to Wal Mart or you go out of business.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:29 PM
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20. So why didn't she say exactly that last nught? nt
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:49 PM
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29. Honestly, he sounded so elitist and stupid with that remark
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:55 PM
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33. "Made it sound"? "Made it sound"??!!??!?
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 07:55 PM by dmesg
How in the **** does anyone have to do anything to "make it sound" like being on the board of Wal-Mart was a bad thing? Hell, she was on there the exact years that it really started to ramp up its "let's move into every county in the South and use predatory pricing to drive out every small local store" strategy.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:26 PM
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14. "Feel a need"? It's called debating...
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 07:27 PM by redqueen
Attack, counterattack.

This is pretty basic stuff.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:27 PM
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15. Because there's some bad history there.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:27 PM
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16. He attacked- she retaliated.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:44 PM
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26. But if she was doing such good work while on the board, why did she need
to retaliate? Why not just explain what she was doing and how Wal Mart was different then , etc, etc. ?
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:48 PM
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28. It was meant as a slur .. she retaliated in kind.
stop acting so damn obtuse.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:42 PM
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24. yup ... and she was ready for him.
If she doesn't retaliate she becomes an easy target. Maybe next time he'll think twice before using a tactic like that.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:50 PM
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30. You realize that when this is all over ...
... it is going to be a Hillary/Obama Democratic ticket, right?

Don't invest too much in this stuff.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:59 PM
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37. Because his remark was meant as a smear. But poor folks
won't like the idea of attacking Wal-Mart. It was a kind of elitest remark. She came back with an over-the-top remark that just gives more ammo to the Rethugs. Although, I really don't think the Rethugs will get a chance to use it against Obama in the GE. I simply don't think he will get the nomination.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:58 PM
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40. She obviously had the attack at the ready. As Candy Crowlie explained
last night on CNN the news cycles are now in hours (or minutes) in this case with each candidate thinking they have to hit back as quickly as possible.
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