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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:24 PM
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Email from John Kerry defending Obama.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 07:28 PM by rucky


I support Barack Obama because he doesn't seek to perfect the politics of Swiftboating -- he seeks to end it.

This is personal for me, and for a whole lot of Americans who lived through the 2004 election.

As a veteran, it disgusts me that the Swift Boats we loved while we were in uniform on the Mekong Delta have been rendered, in Karl Rove's twisted politics, an ugly verb meaning to lie about someone's character just to win an election. But as someone who cares about winning this election and changing the country I love, I know it's not enough to complain about a past we can't change when our challenge is to win the future -- which is why we must stop the Swiftboating, stop the push-polling, stop the front groups, and stop the email chain smears.

The truth matters, but how you fight the lies matters even more. We must be determined never again to lose any election to a lie.

This year, the attacks are already starting. Some of you may have heard about the disgusting lies about Barack Obama that are being circulated by email. These attacks smear Barack's Christian faith and deep patriotism, and they distort his record of more than two decades of public service. They are nothing short of "Swiftboat" style anonymous attacks.

These are the same tactics the right has used again and again, and as we've learned, these attacks, no matter how bogus, can spread and take root if they go unchecked.

But not this time -- we're fighting back.

And when I say "we," I mean that literally. I know Barack is committed to fighting every smear every time. He'll fight hard and stand up for the truth. But he can't do it alone.

We need you to email the truth to your address books. Print it out and post it at work. Talk to your neighbors. Call your local radio station. Write a letter to the editor. If lies can be spread virally, let's prove to the cynics that the truth can be every bit as persuasive as it is powerful.

The Obama campaign has created a place where you can find the truth you'll need to push back on these smears and a way to spread the truth to all of your address book.

Take action here:

http://my.barackobama.com/factcheckaction

So when your inbox fills up with trash and the emails of smear and fear, find the facts, and help defeat the lies.

Barack Obama is committed to bringing our country together to meet the challenges we face, but he knows that power gives up nothing without a struggle -- and to win the chance to change America, we must first defeat the hateful tactics that have been used to tear us apart for too long.

With your help, we can turn the page on an era of small, divisive politics -- but only if next time you hear these attacks on Barack, you take action immediately:

http://my.barackobama.com/factcheckaction

The fight is just heating up -- we won't let them steal this election with lies and distortions.

Thank you,

John Kerry
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:27 PM
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1. Kerry couldn't even defend himself...
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/

"This letter deserves a big, 'Wow.'

Wow, because this is the first time, by our estimation, Kerry has accused a fellow Democrat of "Swiftboating." Wow, because, seriously? Kerry didn't effectively pushback against efforts to 'Swiftboat' his own campaign. And a final, wow, to the Obama folks for allowing Kerry, still regarded by many Democrats as a disappointment, to take such a public role in the contest since endorsing Obama last week".

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:29 PM
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6. No kidding...
he wouldn't defend himself against it, but he'll accuse other Dems of doing it?

Isn't that just a tad... divisive?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:40 PM
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20. Kerry defended himself against
the swiftboaters it just wasn't reported as much as the swiftboat action.

It does not matter whether Kerry notices or not.. the "dems" are swiftboating with or without your acknowledgement.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:41 PM
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22. Eventually he did... after weeks... or was it months?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. And Edwards made some
mistakes too but I'm defending him because I believe he's come around..just like Kerry.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:47 PM
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28. Kerry always fails in his assessment of what to do next in a campaign when things go awry....
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 07:47 PM by Tellurian
His e-mail sounds so desperate.. I don't understand why he is so personally involved. Obama was doing fine building momentum, before Kerry stepped in to help
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. Remember when Clinton used the word "Swiftboating"?
Didn't some people around here go all apeshit?

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. Because he used it to refer to Edwards, Obama , Biden, Dodd ...
when they said that she id not give straight answers in Philly - that was not swiftboating.

The emails spreading lies via the internet are and if any Democrats are involved, they shouldn't be. Wolfson said they would use swiftboating - I assumed he meant versus a Republican. I don't think it is a good idea.

You knock Kerry for not responding, don't you think that Obama should respond to those scurrilous emails? Don't you think that Edwards would?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:10 PM
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47. I can't speak for Sen. Kerry, but I take what he says to heart because I have had enough of the
Clinton's control over our party. It was never about what was good for the people or even the party. It is all about what is good for the Clinton's and how they can maintain power and control.
It is certainly personal with me. I want to move forward not back wards. The Clinton's offer what was, I want what can be. I don't want to have to settle for the Clinton's a second time.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:58 PM
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33. Maybe if his VP would have pushed something like this or defended him
he would be President. Kerry had more proof than anyone could want on his service. He needed more people to fight back. Everyone in the entire party defended Clinton in 1992, defending Kerry in 2004 would have been easier.

He is NOT saying a Democrat is doing it - YOU are reading that in. He is speaking of people questioning Obama's faith and patriotism. If Democrats are doing that, they shouldn't be and Kerry is right. I personally think the people spreading it are RW.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. No, he mentions "distoring his record".
And for the record, Edwards wanted to fight back against the Swiftboat ads.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #34
51. says Edwards afterwards, he didn't say it in 2004
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 PM by karynnj
Edwards clearly said that that was not the way he could be best used. He also initially said that KERRY should fight back, not that HE should be out there. It is also NOT what Shrum said. Kerry has been silent on Edwards.

If they are distorting his record, they shouldn't be.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #6
40. Why do you say he is accusing Dems?
I don't see it. I'll read it again.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. Big wow to you, for attacking every Democrat whose name is mentioned in connection with Obama..
Hillary would be proud.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Are we sure that's not hilary?
I wouldn't be surprised if it weren't a hilary sock puppet.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. It's "They"
Them.

The man.

The jury's still out on whether Hillary is one of "them".

I'm not sure. And I'm not sure if he's sure. But the "them" pretty much covers it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #12
23. My jury's in.
:)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:37 PM
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Why.. you sound.. "frustrated". Hope you're OK !
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:42 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:23 PM
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:41 PM
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42. Oh, he went on Ignore after that one :-) Thanks, Horse !
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:43 PM
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27. Here:
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 07:43 PM by ProSense
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:14 PM
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48. That was great! n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #1
30. Note that Kerry says that Barak will fight back, but he can't do it alone
Neither could Kerry.

The Democratic party and the media had a candidate in Kerry, who was extremely easy to defend. Kerry had his naval record on his web site. There were fitness reports where looking at the dates you could see they covered the entire interval. There were accounts of the Nixon tapes, never intended for the public, where they spoke of the fact that they looked into him and they had nothing on him - he was a clean cut war hero. They knew all the men on Kerry's boats when he got awards supported him. They knew that the Navy is careful in giving out awards as prestigious as the siver star and bronze star.

Imagine if everyone had a source and a means to counter the lies and did it in 2004. The Kerry/Edwards blog did push many people to do LTTE who had not done so before. This is a more concerted effort. Kerry is doing this now for Obama - if it seems successful- I assume it will continue if he's the candidate or be implemented for HRC.

Kerry is not accusing a fellow Democrat of swiftboating, though Bil Clinton did and that was for subjective comments on HRC's public debate answers. I don't recall you protesting his use of the word. He lists the smears that are out there - as on his religion and patriotism. I know that HRC kicked out 3 campaign volunteers or staffers who spread these emails, that were originally from a RW source. Those 3 people were guilty of swiftboating - HRC was not, she did not condone it, she fired them.

Rather than attacking Kerry, maybe it might be good to consider what he is suggesting here. It makes sense to me. If enough people know the truth on something - they will neither believe the lie or pass it on. Think of the difference between the spread of a disease in a population where few have any immunity. Now, think of how fast it will spread when a large part of the population has been vaccinated. In a time where we do not have an echo chamber like the Republicans, don't you think we need a resource to provide us with facts and the coordination needed to help spread it.


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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #1
38. Easier to fight Democrats than it is to fight republicans
:eyes:
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:04 PM
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46. And. he knows swift boating when he comes across it.
And, he did fight back, but unfortunately he didn't have the support he is now offering Obama.
And, if the show fits where it. Who else is spreading these lies when we aren't even in the general election yet.

I am tired of dirty politics. The win at any cost mentality and the the lies and smears against good people. No Democrat,who care about this party and calls themselves a Democrat should support or make excuses for these types of lies and yes, swift boating.

Do you support a candidate who is not above anything to win for the sake of power and control?

I support and intend to pass along Senator Kerry's message. It is a message for the future and comes from a true patriot.
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teleharmonium Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #1
52. No, he didn't - reading is fundamental
Nothing in that letter accuses any Democrat, period.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
57. I agree, Kerry seems to be hunting fleas with an elephant gun..
bizarre!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:28 PM
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2. Kerry has endorsed Obama last week. This said, it is good to see he does not attack the other
Democrats in his email. Better than other surrogates.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #2
9. Kerry is 1st class I don't care what the hilarys say..
they're quite fond of roseanne because she lies about Obama.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:28 PM
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3. Nice letter :-) True and quite unfortunate. K&R
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:28 PM
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4. He already has endorsed Obama. nt
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:29 PM
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5. Brain fart. Edited. Thanks.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:36 PM
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13. Thanks rucky...I'm happy Kerry is following
up his endorsement of Obama with statement about the swiftboat attacks coming already.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:34 PM
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10. " ... (Obama) doesn't seek to perfect the politics of Swiftboating -- he seeks to end it."
Exactly. Thank you again, John Kerry, for your level-headed eloquence on Obama's behalf.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:35 PM
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11. yeah jk when JE told you to fight back against those bastards
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 07:36 PM by BenDavid
you said NO......Maybe if you had fought back instead of wind sailing and dressing up like one of the sperm in a wWoody Allen movie people could have taken you serious. When you decided to have a free bush zone at the 04 convention, I knew you were in trouble. Then when yo sorry ass ran into trouble in penn. a blue state you should have had locked up , what did you do. On October 25th in Philly you asked President Bill Clinton to come and campaign and endorse you. This was his first appearance since he had heart surgery, and how was he greeted. There were over 50,000 folks out there and then a week later you did take Pa. and how in the hell to you pay him back for saving your ass,endorse the other guy. if Bill hadn't came out and endorsed yo sorry ass we could have turned off the television after they declared penn for Bush, but yo ass won Penn.....

So do not send out any more letter.....and you going to tell obama to fight back when yo sorry ass didn't.....Hell, if I were the money people in the clinton campaign I would have given you a MILLION DOLLARS to go over to obama's camp and endorse him, and if I were in the obama camp after your endorsement I would have shipped you and your wife out of the country until after the nov election to keep you from saying something truly stupid.....
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #11
32. "like one of the sperm in a Woody Allen movie"
Hillarious!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #11
36. Many people on the campaign reject that as revisionist history
JRE told the media in 2004 that he refused to be an attack dog. He not only did not help Kerry fight this, a typical VP role and Kerry had a ton of proof available, he rarely even attacked Bush. This was true in the primaries as well - so you can't blame Kerry.

Kerry had huge crowds in all the swing states. It was great that Clinton campaigned for him, but it certainly didn't save him. Teresa winning votes in West Pennsylvania was likely more significant. Philadelphia is always Democratic.

Apparently Obama has a better opinion of Kerry than you do. As do the Clintons, who both personally lobbied Kerry for his endorsement. I also noticed that Kerry did a fantastic job on This Week last week. Praising all three candidates as capable of taking the country in teh right direction, while being an excellent surrogate for Obama. I saw the comments from unaligned people - he did a superb job.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:36 PM
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14. Where were Kerry's balls in 2004 when we needed them?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. Vile,
read this.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #14
56. The year is 2008
Hello and welcome to today.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #14
60. He had balls one time just before the campaign
when he courted John McCain to be his VP running mate. Good thing McCain shunned Kerry's advances. A Kerry/McCain ticket would've been the end of the Democratic Party forever.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:38 PM
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16. Zzzzz.... so what else is new - that centrist hack....
has done nothing to challenge the Ohio elections in '04. He's an hypocrite. Edwards already promised to have everything investigated if '08 is a repeat of '04 or '00.

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:39 PM
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17. Wow, I'm not sure if Kerry is calling the Clintons "Swiftboaters" or not...
but it certainly sounds like it.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. If the shoe fits.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. I'm not sure who else he would be referring to. Pretty sad stuff. (nt)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #24
37. I think it is everyone doing the things he described in the letter
If the Clintons are covertly spreading lies about Obama's religion, his patriotism or his public service - then they are swiftboating.

If they aren't doing this, he is not speaking about them.

I did not see you upset when Bill Clinton used the word to mean roughly "criticizing HRC".
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:46 PM
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43. Maybe these people



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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #17
25. dupe
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 07:42 PM by redqueen
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:39 PM
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41. Will Kerry urge Obama to pick McCain as VP like Kerry wanted to?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #41
44. Is posting silly questions the only thing you've got? n/t
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #41
55. The year is 2008
Hello and welcome to today.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:48 PM
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45. Thanks, rucky! I got the e-mail today, too. But I'm glad you put it up here for all to see.
The smearing of Barack Obama went way too far. It's now backfiring.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:17 PM
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49. I hope you are right. They deserve to backfire. n/t
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:20 PM
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50. Kerry has time to write emails??
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. Can you picture Hillary on one of those?
:scared:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:20 PM
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59. You'll never see Hillary dorking out like Kerry doing phony photo-ops on windboards or hunting geese
in camouflage during the middle of a campaign in such a feeble effort to woo the gun people. He actually thought the gun people would fall for that shit. What a goofball.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. The year is 2008
Hello and welcome to today.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:18 PM
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58. Maybe Kerry will convince Obama to court McCain for his VP, too, just like he did
Dam that was so embarrassing.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:34 PM
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61. I'm a bit confused.
The first part of the email talks about swiftboating and seems to be directed at the Clintons, but then he goes on to reference the "Obama is a Muslim" email as an example. Is it just me or is he subtly trying to tie that email to the Clintons even though there has been absolutely no proof they're connected?
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