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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:30 PM
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Paul Wellstone was the antithesis of the Clintons,
and John Kerry worked with Wellstone on many issues, including significant campaign finance reform:

I have advocated that ever since I came here. I was one of the leading advocates of full campaign finance, public funding, full funding reform. I wrote the bill with David Boren and George Mitchell back in the ’80s. We actually passed it at one point. And George Herbert Walker Bush vetoed it. And I went with Bill Bradley and Joe Biden to visit with Clinton in 1993 in the Oval Office to persuade him to do campaign-finance reform when we had the majority of both houses and the White House. And he declined to do that. And I think we paid an enormous price for not having done that. But you have to have a comprehensive reform. I am not for Band-Aid reforms anymore. I am not for coming in and limiting Congress and what they can do here, and then individual groups can go out and just murder you on their own. Enough of that. -- John Kerry


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The following year, a re-elected Kerry was in another lonely position as one of only five original sponsors of the Clean Money, Clean Elections Act, to provide for full public financing of Congressional elections. The measure would remove practically all special-interest money from House and Senate campaigns. (Kerry's colleagues were Wellstone, Leahy, John Glenn and Joe Biden--all Democrats.) "Kerry was totally into it," says Ellen Miller, former executive director of Public Campaign, a reform group pressing for the legislation. "He believes in this stuff."

In introducing the legislation, Kerry said on the Senate floor, "Special interest money is moving and dictating and governing the agenda of American politics.... If we want to regain the respect and confidence of the American people, and if we want to reconnect to them and reconnect them to our democracy, we have to get the special interest money out of politics." He was also a backer of the better-known McCain-Feingold legislation, a more modest and (some might say) problematic approach to campaign reform. But over the years he's pointed to the Clean Money, Clean Elections Act as the real reform. "It is a tough position in Congress to be for dramatic change in financing elections," says Miller. "It's gutsy to go out and say, 'Let's provide a financially leveled playing field so there is more competition for incumbents.' Kerry and Wellstone were the leaders and took a giant step. It was remarkable."

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Kerry was a leader on issues, such as DOMA, that even Wellstone supported. Obama was endorsed by a real progressive!.

‘From voting against the Defense of Marriage Act to actively opposing "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell," John Kerry is a true leader for our community,’ said HRC President Cheryl Jacques.

WASHINGTON – The Human Rights Campaign today endorsed Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., for President of the United States. The decision was made by HRC’s board of directors based on the candidate’s support for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender equality, demonstrated leadership and his viability to win in November.

"From voting against the Defense of Marriage Act to actively opposing ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,’ John Kerry is a true leader for our community," said HRC President Cheryl Jacques. "Just six months into his first Senate term in 1985, he introduced a gay civil rights bill. His aggressive support for our community continued unabated for the years that followed, demonstrated time and again by perfect HRC ratings on GLBT issues in Congress."

In 1996, Sen. Kerry was one of only 14 senators, and the only up for re-election, to cast a vote against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act. He also testified in front of a Senate committee in 1993 against the policy that prohibits military service by openly gay, lesbian and bisexual Americans known as "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell."

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Using Wellstone against Obama is laughable!


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:56 PM
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1. Kick! n/t
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:21 PM
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14. You mean the guy Obama dismissed as a "gadfly"?? Don't even go there.
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Obama's deference to these boundaries was hammered home to me when our discussion touched on the late Senator Paul Wellstone. Obama said the progressive champion was "magnificent." He also gently but dismissively labeled Wellstone as merely a "gadfly," in a tone laced with contempt for the senator who, for instance, almost single-handedly prevented passage of the bankruptcy bill for years over the objections of both parties. This clarified Obama's support for the Hamilton Project, an organization formed by Citigroup chair Robert Rubin and other Wall Street Democrats to fight back against growing populist outrage within the party. And I understood why Beltway publications and think tanks have heaped praise on Obama and want him to run for President. It's because he has shown a rare ability to mix charisma and deference to the establishment.

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http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060626/sirota

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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:23 PM
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15. "Gadfly" is not a dismissive word. Don't you understand English?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:06 PM
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2. Stop. I want it all to stop right now. Using Paul Wellstone as a tactic
is horrendous.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:14 PM
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3. I watched as Paul Wellstone announced he would oppose the IWR....
He was in a tough re-election campaign battle at the time. I remember the emotions. I felt he was committing political suicide....pride, admiration, yet sorrow for a great man who may be digging his own political grave. So sad that he was soon to die. But his was a message of idealism. I don't know who Paul would be supporting today if he were alive, but I am struck by the fact that Wellstone voted NO on the IWR is spite of the polls, whereas Hillary voted YES and she wasn't even up for election that year. Hillary and Paul are opposites.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:02 AM
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18. IMO, voting against the IWR was the right political move for Wellstone
The thing about Wellstone is that a lot of his popularity was due to the fact that people felt that he always did what he believed in. Wellstone having to go back to Minnesota and defend a YEA vote that he didn't believe in on an issue as big as the IWR would've been an absolute disaster.

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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:31 PM
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4. I met Paul Wellstone several times
My Wellstone lawn sign was stolen several times.

Paul Wellstone was a man of courage. When he voted against the Iraq war he was in a tight race for his seat and was the only Senator facing an election contest who voted against the war. He did it even though he knew it might jeopardize his reelection. But he knew we voted for him because of his integrity, even many who didn't agree with him on his positions supported him for his integrity.

I wept when he died. Then I called my mom who answered the phone weeping as well.

There is no one like Paul Wellstone. I hope all strive to live the values he epitomized.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:31 PM
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5. Kick! n/t
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:36 PM
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6. Right, and Wellstone and JFK, Jr., both died in plane crashes.
JFK, Jr.'s, plane blew up after he told Roger Ailes he was running for that Senate seat that Hillary wanted.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:47 PM
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9. JFK Jr was going in to politics? Link?
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:19 AM
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16. It was also reported that Gore had approached him(JFK Jr.) to be his
running mate.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:04 AM
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19. Two friends of JFK, Jr.'s have written books saying this
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 03:08 AM by Hart2008
Forever Young: My Friendship With John F. Kennedy Jr. by William Noonan, and
The Men We Became by Robert T. Littell.

The official MSM story is that JFK, Jr. bowed out of the New York Senate race...

He was planning to run for National office according to Newsweek and People. He told friends he would have run for Senate in New York, but let Hillary Clinton run instead. And he would have won. He was the most popular man in the US. And for good reason. He was a great guy. But he was the only Kennedy to ever acknowledge a conspiracy in his father’s death. He not only acknowledge it, he published an article by Oliver Stone, in his magazine, George, about assassination, conspiracies, and lying history books. Who would want to kill him? The people who killed his father had to kill him. Kennedy Jr. was going to go after them.

http://john-f-kennedy-jr.com/murdered.htm
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/bush_killed_jfkjr.htm

But JFK, Jr.'s, friends, William Noonan and Robert T. Littell disagree:

Noonan says Kennedy would have run for the New York Senate seat won in 2000 by Hillary Clinton. He says Kennedy said of Clinton: "Wait until she gets here. She's gonna get her head handed to her."

With Kennedy in the race, Noonan believes that Clinton wouldn't have run and that Kennedy "would have gone all the way to the top," the White House.


http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2006-09-20-noonan-book-chat_x.htm

Kennedy, who toyed with running for office, was taken aback when he read that Hillary Clinton had announced she would run for Daniel Patrick Moynihan's Senate seat.

"What, am I supposed to move to Arkansas?" snorted Kennedy.


http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/gossip/2004/05/05/2004-05-05_friend_adds_chapter_to_jfk_j.html

Some cites take the story even further:
This site claims that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is investigating both the Bushes and the Clinton's in JFK, Jr.'s death:
http://www.stewwebb.com/Division%204%20team%20names%20Clintons,%20Bush%2041,%2043%20in%20JFK%20Jr.htm


This site is even stranger:
http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id488.html

The truth is out there somewhere...

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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:43 PM
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7. I knew Paul Wellstone when he was a college professor
I first met him when he was the MN state chair of the Jackson '88 presidential campaign in 1987, and I was a college student.

I worked with him on a state legislative race in 1988, where he helped us replace a far-right do-nothing politician with a considerate, hard-working man who represented his district.

I was a Wellstone delegate to the MN DFL state convention in 1990, and was a precinct captain for him at the 1990 caucuses, as well.

Although I admittedly didn't know him well, I feel safe in saying that he would NOT approve of anybody using his name to attack ANY fellow Democrat, even those he may not agree with 100%.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:46 PM
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8. Here
post that here.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:49 PM
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10. done (nt)
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:51 PM
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11. I fully agree no name no slogan.
:hi:
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:13 PM
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13. I mostly agree, but he would have advised them of their errors
I was acquainted with him 40 years ago in school. I literally cried when I heard his plane was down.

I would like to believe that he would be pleased that his fellow Tar Heel John Edwards has evolved so that he now gives voice to many progressive issues. Maybe I'm just projecting my own Tar Heel blue Democratic aspirations.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:52 PM
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12. I think I love you !! LOL...
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randymaine Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:27 AM
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17. Wellstone was more like the antithesis of Ronald Reagan n/t
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 12:28 AM by randymaine
Wellstone was very progressive; therefore cannot be the antithesis of the Clintons, because a person in his/her right mind cannot see the Clintons as anything other than progressive; or Reagan as anything other than reactionary.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:52 AM
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20. Kick! n/t
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:54 AM
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21. Did I miss something?
Is Wellstone being used by one campaign against another?

Serious question.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:44 PM
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22. Kick! n/t
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