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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:42 PM
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How can a Presidential candidate bring change if he is so easily thrown off message?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-feldman/can-obama-get-back-on-mes_b_82634.html

'Hope and Change' Becomes 'Blame'

Like it or not, the Clinton campaign has knocked the Obama campaign off the core theme of 'hope and change.' This change is significant because the 'hope and change' theme took over the entire political debate in the 24 hours after the Iowa debate. That is no longer the case.

Despite trumpeting his ability to bring a 'new tone' to politics, last night's debate showed an Obama who scolded, complained, and pointed fingers. His performance last night raises a serious question without a clear answer: How can a Presidential candidate bring change if he is so easily thrown off message by his opponents?

Having dominated previous debates with his quick wit and charisma, Obama's rhetoric and body language last night gave the impression of a candidate stuck--like everyone else--in old-school mud slinging politics.

The ability to throw Obama off his message may be a Pyrrhic victory for Hillary Clinton's campaign. In the end, voters not persuaded by Obama's message of change may jump to Edwards rather than Clinton. Nonetheless, Clinton has managed to open up a significant chink in Obama's armor by hitting on the difference between 'rhetoric and reality.'

Indeed, that Obama came off as so defensive last night was a good example of how quickly his central campaign promises have been tripped up by his opponents.

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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:42 PM
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1. This from the guy who posted the Larry Sinclair video.
You might want to stay away from GD: P for a day, until fewer DUers remember the bullshit you pulled minutes ago.
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:47 PM
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3. this is very much the case
Obama has a hard time accepting he does anything wrong. Hillary just returned fire. Thank goodness edwards could mediate Obama's shouting match.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:52 PM
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8. That post was locked.
And you would do well to bone up on the rules:

Do not "stalk" another member from one discussion thread to another. Do not follow someone into another thread to try to continue a disagreement you had elsewhere. Do not talk negatively about an individual in a thread where they are not participating. Do not post messages with the purpose of "calling out" another member or picking a fight with another member. Do not use your signature line to draw negative attention to another member of the board.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 PM
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14. For good reason, too.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:51 PM
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20. Regardless though, this is a different topic and posters should not be continuing that discussion
here. Simple.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:33 PM
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16. If you think I've broken the rules, quit your whining and hit alert.
Oh wait, you're full of shit and fake outrage, so you won't do that.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:50 PM
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19. And if you think Herman made the video about Barrack, then YOU quit YOUR whining
and hit alert.

Oh wait, you're full of...how did you just put it? Oh yeah, "shit and outrage".

In spades.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:09 PM
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22. I said he could have, because it's the same type of bullshit you peddle.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 11:10 PM by Alexander
I noticed you never hit Alert.

Or maybe you did and the mods laughed at you.

Whining crybaby.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:12 PM
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24. You're speaking in an unhinged manner.
Step back and take a deep breath.

The name-calling and slanderous accusations are not acceptable.

thx.

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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:46 PM
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2. It's much easier for the candidate that has LYING AS THE MESSAGE
This is not going to be pretty. I may not vote if the Clintons are chosen as the nominees.

This shit follows them because it is WHO THEY ARE.
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:50 PM
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4. Obama started it
With his "Walmart", remark. I guess Hillary wasn't supposed to defend herself?
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:51 PM
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6. That he did and then proceeded to keep digging the hole bigger


He left opening after opening after opening to Clinton and Edwards and they used it to full effect.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:50 PM
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5. God help us in the general election if he's the nominee


it will be a total disaster if last night was anything to go by.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:51 PM
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7. How can a Presidential candidate bring change if...she spends her entire energy
trying to get opponents off message?

Hillary: same old, same old....pathetic

Vote for me: I will give you more of the same you have seen for years.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:58 PM
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11. If she can do that so effectively like last night, her GE chances are

ASTRONOMICAL....................
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:29 PM
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12. Hillary: Everyone will have health insurance, dental insurance
The whole thing is a fairy tale.

A chicken in every pot! The dental insurance would be extremely expensive or some good sounding, poor coverage fraud.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:11 PM
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23. yeah...you could say that is "irresponsible and frankly naive...."
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 11:13 PM by earthlover
Plus which campaigning on FORCED insurance is a dunderhead way to campaign....why not just wear a McCain For President button, Hillary?

And....duh....does everyone have auto liability insurance? Then why do we have to pay extra premiums to protect against the uninsured?
So much for mandated coverage....
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:53 PM
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9. Has anyone figured out what "Hope and Change" mean yet?
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:52 PM
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18. That's "Hope TO Change"
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:14 PM
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25. Yup...it means escaping from the condescending cynicism of the Hillary Herd
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:57 PM
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10. Hillary is running a classic Karl Rove campaign. Smoke, lies, mirrors, lies
and on and on and on! I just hope the American people can see that she is a thug.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:31 PM
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15. I agree. Someone should ask Bill if he admires Rove
I bet he does. He's a no holds barred, win at all costs, political animal.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:48 PM
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17. Yes, they said the same thing about the Kennedys...
They like Winning...
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:18 AM
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26. They like winning? Yes, at all costs. That's the point. n/t
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:53 PM
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21. maybe Karl Rove IS running her campaign?
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