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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:03 PM
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Dan Abrams Analyzing Clinton-Obama Flap, Who's Being Accurate?
Going over the Ronald Regan comments now...
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:04 PM
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1. Abrams gives it to Obama, 100%
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:04 PM
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2. on Reagan, he calls it for Obama
Rachel Maddow calls it for Clinton.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:05 PM
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Lawrence O'Donnell calls it for Obama too
says Rachel Maddow is nuts.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:06 PM
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9. Pat Buchanan says Obama was not praising the Republicans
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:31 PM
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63. Bowl me over!
This is a HUGH!!1! Surprise given that O'Donnell isn't an Obama sycophant or anything.






Oh wait...
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:05 PM
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5. Lawrence O'Donnell disagrees with Rachel.
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:05 PM
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8. Rachel must be a Clinton supporter, yes?
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:06 PM
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11. She is a huge Hillary supporter, she was almost crying after Iowa. nm
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:08 PM
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16. Well, that explains it then. I guess all journalistic integrity must fly out the window
with support of Hillary. No wonder she's distorting, too.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:04 PM
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3. Get ready for Edwards people to go apeshit
Cue Lawrence O'Donnell.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:04 PM
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4. Dan gives it to Obama. I'm not sure what's happened to Rachel Maddow..
she seems to have lost some of her verve since she's become a regular on MSNBC. I'm quite disappointed in her.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:05 PM
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6. I'm really liking Abrams these days.
In some ways better than KO.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:05 PM
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7. Rachel Madow is such a Hillary tool. nm
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:06 PM
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10. Shush
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:10 PM
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23. Apologize now
Shes calling out Hillary for taking a cheap shot.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:10 PM
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25. Yet she just gave this round to Obama, RE: present votes. nt
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:06 PM
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12. *This one goes to Obama* says Abrams
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:07 PM
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13. I don't believe it. Everyone knows a lie cannot escape the lips of a Clinton.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:07 PM
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14. round two - Obama's present votes
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:08 PM
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18. Abrams says both technically right...but gives it to Obama
O'Donnell says Edwards helped Clinton though.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:09 PM
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20. Buchanan says Hillary won the point
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:09 PM
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22. Maddow says Obama won...??????????
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:07 PM
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15. Both technically right, says Abrams
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:08 PM
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17. But Abrams gives it to Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:09 PM
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19. O'Donnell says that all senators miss votes.
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:09 PM
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21. Rachel gives it to Obama
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:10 PM
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24. Buchanan got it right.. you can't explain Present Votes in 15 seconds. Cheap shot !
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:10 PM
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28. And that's why Clinton brought it up! nt
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:15 PM
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39. And you can't explain Wal-mart in 15 seconds.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:10 PM
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26. round three - bankruptcy bills
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:13 PM
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34. O'Donnell says it's a tie....Abrams too...Buchanan...uh...beats me
Maddow doesn't say anything.
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:10 PM
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27. Round 3: Bankruptcy bills
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:11 PM
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29. Abrams says Hill gives lame answer.
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:12 PM
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31. O'Donnel says Obama scores points for being on right side of bill
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:12 PM
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32. Buchanan gives points to Hill for assertiveness.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:26 PM
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59. I thought they were judging on accuracy
I don't have the channel, so I'm just going by the thread. But did he say what assertiveness has to do with it?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:11 PM
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30. "I made a mmm..mmmm...mistake.." ROFL !
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:13 PM
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33. Good analysis on the debate !
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:13 PM
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35. Ya know...
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 09:17 PM by Patsy Stone
Pat doesn't scream on The McLaughlin Group. Why does he have to scream on MSNBC?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:14 PM
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37. He's been screaming A LOT lately ! I noticed that the other day.. it is very strange !
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:14 PM
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38. he heee - I never realized that! Interesting!
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:15 PM
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40. Can any words come out of Buchanan's mouth without him making chopping motions with his hands?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:17 PM
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41. He has a whole different persona on there, and usually seems
more logical than on these shows. :shrug:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:18 PM
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45. I don't know either
but he makes me run for the volume control every time.

:hi:
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:14 PM
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36. Coming up: Cheap Shots
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:18 PM
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46. Ha.. Pot Meet Kettle. That one pissed Maddow off.
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:17 PM
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42. Round 4: voting record on Iraq war.
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:18 PM
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43. Abrams says Hillary wins this one
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:18 PM
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44. Rachel says Obama wins it
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:19 PM
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47. .
Damn Pat Buchanan is kissing some clinton ass.
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:19 PM
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48. It is a fair point to bring up, Bill Clinton was justified in saying *fairytale*
according to Buchanan
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:20 PM
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50. O'Donnell says Bob Kerrey admitted that Bill Clinton is a very good liar
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:27 PM
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61. He had to omit the key portion that Bill lied about
Which was the one sentence in 2004 on the even of the Kerry campaign. If the entire lie had been presented, then the Clintons would have lost that one too.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:20 PM
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49. round four, fairy tale attack
Abrams - to Hillary
Maddow - to Obama, kinda
Buchanan - to Hillary
O'Donnell - to Obama...and fairly recognizes what Bill Clinton was saying.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:21 PM
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51. round five - biggest cheap shot
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:22 PM
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52. both losers
heh
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:23 PM
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55. Buchanan - hillary won, O'Donnel, neither
final - Obama wins 2-1-1-0
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:22 PM
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53. Round 5: trading cheap shots
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:22 PM
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54. "Obama slapped Hillary, and Hillary kicked Obama in the groin"
:rofl:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:23 PM
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56. That was a good show, good job by Abrams.
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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:23 PM
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57. ouchie
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:23 PM
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58. That according to Pat Buchanin who was kissing hillarys ass like nobody
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:26 PM
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60. Last night Hillary won the point contest and tonight Obama won
I think we can count on Dan Abrams picking out examples that even up the score eventually on both sides and make it close. He doesn't want to turn off major portions of his audience. MSNBC wants an entertaining boxing match that goes the distance. I like Dan, but like everyone in TV, his prime directive is to bring up ratings.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 PM
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62. Poor Rachel
She too gets accused of being a shill for this candidate or that one every time she opens her mouth and expresses an opinion...
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:46 PM
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64. Abrams is doing the public a good service.
I hope he keeps focusing on the truth of statements instead of whether something is an effective smear (like Buchanon seems to cherish)
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