Here is somthing to consider. . .while it will be spun that Barack may win SC because of the Black

wndycty

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:26 PM
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Here is somthing to consider. . .while it will be spun that Barack may win SC because of the Black

vote. What happens if the exit polls show significant gains with the white vote in S.C.? I think the Clinton camp will have a hard time spinning that.

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K Gardner

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:27 PM
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1. I'm certain they have a press release ready for any scenario. If that happens, it will be spun :-)

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IndianaJones

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:28 PM
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2. point taken. conversely, what will be you evaluation of his chances if he...

has little of that support?

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jackson_dem

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:31 PM
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3. He is a distant third with 17% of the white vote in SC

Is he going to suddenly gain a bunch of ground in a couple of days?

Whites: Hillary 43%, Edwards 30%, Obama 17%
Blacks: Obama 70%, Hillary 15%, Edwards 1%

It is obvious there is a race issue here.

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IndianaJones

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:31 PM
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4. Obama has lost his transcend race image. he is done. nt.

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Proud2BAmurkin

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:33 PM
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5. And don't forget it was his surrogate's attacks on the MLK LBJ issue

he should have been out within an hour to shut them up

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IndianaJones

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:34 PM
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7. He is essentially Jesse Jackson without the courage on race issues and natural charisma. nt.

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jackson_dem

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:33 PM
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6. Too bad he had to play the race card in a short-sighted attempt to win one primary

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skooooo

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:35 PM
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8. What's so "obvious" about it??

I dont' think you can say that.

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jackson_dem

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:40 PM
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9. The numbers speak for themselves

Do you think Obama would be at 70% with blacks if he were white? Would Edwards be at 1% with blacks if he were black? Would Obama, who is doing so well among blacks, be at 17% among whites if he were white?

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skooooo

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Wed Jan-23-08 09:39 AM
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13. Well....

Does that mean that no white person has ever pulled 70% of the black vote? I doubt it.

You can't claim to know why people make their decisions. There is likely *some* race factor going on, but we can't know to what extent. There is also an experience factor, a gender factor, a policy factor, etc. etc.

You can't know what's in people's hearts and minds by looking at a few numbers.

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wndycty

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Wed Jan-23-08 09:44 AM
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14. Didn't Bill Clinton pull at least 70% of the Black vote. . .

. . .lets not forget Gore got 90% in 2000.

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Hello_Kitty

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Tue Jan-22-08 10:14 PM
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12. Funny how it's only a "race issue" when it's a non-white candidate.

BTW, Hillary isn't even winning a majority of the whites.

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KennedyGuy

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:41 PM
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10. they will be unable to spin the win as being solely the AA vote

if it isn't..
if it is..then it becomes fact rather than spin.

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sandnsea

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Tue Jan-22-08 09:48 PM
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11. Republicans malign the minority vote too

Hillary leaving SC says to all minorities that the only vote that counts is the white vote. SC doesn't matter because it's just a bunch of black people voting for a black man. White women in NH weren't dismissed that way. It shouldn't matter who votes in SC, all votes are equal.

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