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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:36 PM
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Obama Present Votes
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

An examination of Illinois records shows at least 36 times when Mr. Obama was either the only state senator to vote present or was part of a group of six or fewer to vote that way.

In more than 50 votes, he seemed to be acting in concert with other Democrats as part of a strategy.

For a juvenile-justice bill, lobbyists and fellow lawmakers say, a political calculus could have been behind Mr. Obama’s present vote. On other measures like the anti-abortion bills, which Republicans proposed, Mr. Obama voted present to help more vulnerable Democrats under pressure to cast “no” votes.

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:37 PM
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1. didn't you get the memo?
over there buddy ------------------->
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:38 PM
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2. 130 less 50 less a dozen abortion votes = 68 unexplained including no cap on credit card interest
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:46 PM
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5. Are you referring to his voting...
record in the US Senate or the Illinois State Senate?
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:48 PM
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6. If you cap it at 30% corporations will ensure that its 30%. WAKE UP
The cap needs to be lower. If you believe that the cap should be lower, you CANNOT SUPPORT A BILL THAT WILL CAP IT AT AN EXORBITANTLY HIGH RATE THAT WILL BE THE NEW CEILING!!

Quit spouting inane talking points.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:52 PM
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8. Thanks to Obama and others there is now NO CAP. They can charge from 30-100% if they wish!
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:55 PM
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10. Its not been done.... it won't be done. That is an outlandish rate
Obama knows it, you know it! It was a giveaway to the credit card companys just like the bankruptcy bill that Hillary and Edwards voted for.

If 30% was deemed an acceptable rate by congress, all rates would be 30%...

Newsflash... Corporations are not looking out for you and yours
.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:07 PM
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20. it has been done - the Sears major appliance card was 44% - but only 35% if you had good credit.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:00 PM
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16. So now it's Obama's fault the bill was written poorly, and...
probably to cater as a concession to creditors.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:56 PM
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11. 30% is outrageous.... but NO CAP is worse.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:58 PM
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14. Hmm...no credit card company is charging 30% right now...but they would be if passed
Common sense..

But I agree to disagree with you.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:18 PM
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23. You are kidding right? There are MANY companies charging 33%+
I have a very good credit score. I have NEVER missed a payment. I went Over my limit on my citicard and they jacked the APR up to 32.9%... and 30%+ is VERY Common.
Your argument is absolutely stupid... since there is no cap now, why WOULDN'T The rate be over 30%?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:19 PM
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24. Reading over this again... why would you say that it is common sense
that a cc company would charge up to the cap, but that they do not charge that high or higher with NO cap... common sense dictates that they would.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:58 PM
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15. Which is what Obami helped lead to. Too bad he couldn't vote "present" on this too
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:04 PM
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18. You are the poster child for lemming recruitment... get some education
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 10:05 PM by Windy
you embarrass yourself.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:45 PM
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3. Same article...

For a juvenile-justice bill, lobbyists and fellow lawmakers say, a political calculus could have been behind Mr. Obama’s present vote. On other measures like the anti-abortion bills, which Republicans proposed, Mr. Obama voted present to help more vulnerable Democrats under pressure to cast “no” votes.

In other cases, Mr. Obama’s present votes stood out among widespread support as he tried to use them to register legal and other objections to parts of the bills.

In Illinois, political experts say voting present is a relatively common way for lawmakers to express disapproval of a measure. It can at times help avoid running the risks of voting no, they add.


“If you are worried about your next election, the present vote gives you political cover,” said Kent D. Redfield, a professor of political studies at the University of Illinois at Springfield. “This is an option that does not exist in every state and reflects Illinois political culture.”

The vote on the juvenile-justice bill appears to be a case when Mr. Obama, who represented a racially mixed district on the South Side of Chicago, faced pressure. It also occurred about six months before he announced an ultimately unsuccessful campaign against a popular black congressman, Bobby L. Rush.

State Senator Christine Radogno, a Republican, was a co-sponsor of the bill to let children as young as 15 be prosecuted as adults if charged with committing a crime with a firearm on or near school grounds.

The measure passed both houses overwhelmingly. In explaining his present vote on the floor of the Senate, Mr. Obama said there was no proof that increasing penalties for young offenders reduced crime, though he acknowledged that the bill had fairly unanimous support.

“Voting present was a way to satisfy those two competing interests,” Ms. Radogno said in a telephone interview.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:45 PM
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4. Now wait just a darn minute!
We were led to believe, by Hillary, that Obama voted "present" because he is the devil incarnate and
because he likes to eat small children for breakfast, instead of wasting his time voting.

What am I supposed to believe and think now?

Now you tell me there's a rational explanation?

Me confused.

Me want my blankey.

I will wait to comment until I hear further word from Hillary.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:50 PM
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7. No you're forgetting, he wants sex offenders to have access to your kids.
What a disgusting and shameful move by someone who wants you to believe that she has good intentions for this country and who decrys dirty politics while engaging in them!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:06 PM
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19. Well, Obama owned Hillary on that point!
What an idiot she was...specifically referencing a "present" vote of Obama's, in which he
was the co-sponsor.

Hillary is taking advantage of the fact that the nation doesn't fully understand Illinois
politics.

Of course, that's the repeated plot with the Clintons. Cherry pick, and lie. Then
repeat. Then, force your opponent to defend themselves. Then, the Clintons call
you frustrated and bitter.

At the end of the day the Clintons are classless manipulators and win-at-all-cost parasites.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:54 PM
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9. Here:
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:56 PM
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12. I prefer the New York Times to Obama's campaign site NT
NT
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:03 PM
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17. I prefer planned parenthood of Illnois and the Illinois state legislature press
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:11 PM
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21. What about the other 68 "present" votes? Like on gun control
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:13 PM
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22. did you read the New York Times article
its very well balanced
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:56 PM
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13. Thank you for posting more TRUTH... I thought that's what dems were about? n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:33 PM
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25. I just want to say..
you have provided me with so much information on a variety of subjects over the last several years. I just wanted to thank you and let you know, what a difference you make.
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