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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:55 PM
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I just watched KO with the clips of Clinton and Obama going after each other and...
...they both at this point in time absolutely disgust me. They both acted like little children. The issue is NOT if one or both of them were saying things which were untrue...the issue is HOW they looked to the public in general.

I am wondering how many voters were turned off by the Democratic Party last night and switched channels BEFORE the clam and classy conduct of John Edwards brought things back to where they were suppose to be.

A word to both Hillary and Barack: FUCKING GROW UP, OK? You both made complete assholes of yourself in that give and take. Sheesh!

:argh:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:56 PM
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1. That's why I didn't enjoy this last debate. I found the previous debate much more
interesting and informative.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:58 PM
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3. I just do NOT want the Dem candidates to destroy any chances...
...we have for taking back the WH come this November by the kind of conduct I saw coming from the two of them.

I wanted to smack both of the and then put them in Time Out on little chairs. The conduct was totally immature and disgusting.

JMHO
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:02 PM
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9. I agree. I also just don't enjoy it. Talking up their own points rather than scoring
hits on each other is my preference.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:02 AM
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38. I thought this last debate was the best yet
Obama actually grew a pair
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:58 PM
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2. But let's say for argument's sake that someone keeps distorting
your words and your record. Do you just ignore it?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:59 PM
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5. Of course not....but....
...you sure as hell do NOT act like a fucking, whining child about it and sling mud!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:58 PM
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4. Guy at work asked me if I'd seen the debate, and he said
"What a couple of babies! That was disgusting." And he's a liberal.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:01 PM
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8. My freaking feelings EXACTLY!
I was embarrassed as all hell that these two people are competing for the highest elected office in our nation. Geeeeeeez, yes, they both acted just like a couple of squalling babies!
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:59 PM
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6. I saw only one president in that debate
and he had to beg to be heard. WTF is wrong with this picture?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:03 PM
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11. BINGO! n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:00 PM
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7. I thought it was THE BEST DEBATE YET.
People whine that the candidates don't express real differences and speak in thirty second sound bites, and then, when they do get a chance to go a bit afield , they're called CHILDREN?

Gimme a break. There's no satisfying, I guess. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.


Politics is a contact sport. I look forward to more knock-down, drag out discussion of policy differences AND records. I'll be waiting for the LA debate with enthusiasm.

Nothing wrong with a lot of heat and light...unless you can't stand the heat, that is.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:02 PM
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10. IMO, children sling personal attacks like two candidates did....
....last evening. Adults discuss issues.

'Nuff said IMO.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:05 PM
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18. So if someone says something about you or your positions to your face,
you just ignore it?

Both Edwards and Clinton say that Obama leaves people uninsured. He thinks his plan offers universal coverage. Just how are the three of them supposed to get their opinions across without disagreeing?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:12 PM
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26. Let's try this again:
Of course you do not ignore it. HOWEVER, acting like a child about it and throwing a temper tantrum really is NOT the way to respond either.

Am I being clear enough???

How about an elegant, clam, well-reasoned voice, reciting FACTS???? Maybe that would be the better way to deal with a distortion of one's record??? And then move quickly on to ISSUES that are important.

JMHO
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:16 PM
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28. When a man cannot respond without getting "testy" it speaks to his
grace, or LACK of same, under pressure.

It's instructive, if uncomfortable for you.

You might want to wait and read the transcripts later for the LA debate if these contests disturb you. I think it's going to get more interesting, not less, next time round.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:14 PM
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27. Well, nuff for YOU. Not for people who enjoy the freewheeling nature of
a debate that was the LEAST scripted to date. I am enthused about the next on in LA, and I hope it's TWICE as freewheeling as this last one was.

I suspect the people who thought the debate was "terrible" and "undignified" and "childish" are the ones who are supporters of the man who LOST the debate. And we know that man wasn't John Edwards. He took home the crown.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:05 PM
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15. I'm naive I'd like the candidates to be honest about their own and others statements
I want them to debate issues not to like and mistate the position of the other candidates.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:10 PM
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23. I liked it too
too much noise in the media and whispering snippets through campaign "staff".

They needed to air it out and they did and obviously CNN was a party to it or they would have stepped in and enforced the time limits.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:12 PM
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25. I agree. I like to see how they act in the heat of battle
I was Happy with Hillary's performance

Man she can go for the throat one minute and be so calm explaining the nuance of policy

the next. Very, very impressive

And the heck with these babies who want to watch Julia Child cook stew. I want the Iron Chef
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:03 PM
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12. Exactly, it was all about them.
I'm glad John was there to bring the debate, when he could, around to the American People.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:04 PM
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14. ANOTHER BINGO! n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:07 PM
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19. you mean-can i say something john?
he`d better because he`s next on the media`s delete list
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:04 PM
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13. Give them a break!
What do you think will happen if one of them is the nom and goes against the republican slime machine. You think polite responses and making nice will win the election? They better both sharpen their claws.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:05 PM
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16. Soooooooo...they should give ammo for the Repiggie slime machine to use?
I think not.

JMHO
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:11 PM
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24. The kind of things they are saying about each other...
wouldn't work for the repubs. Admiration for Reagan would be a good point. They all shop at Walmart, so no problem there.

But, I would hope that anything and everything detrimental comes out now. It would be much better than to be surprised by the repubs.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:05 PM
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17. randi was ripping on everyone this afternoon
i had to agree with her. this has become the "democratic debasements" and the only winners are the networks advertising rates. it is getting as bad as the "bad girls club" here at du over these useless media events.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:10 PM
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22. Randi as usual was right on.
Man, we do NOT need the Repiggies to trash Hillary or Barack....they have done this for them.

I am just soooooooooo pissed off at this kind of conduct! Not only is it immature, it is STUPID as all hell.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:18 PM
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30. Randi needs some time out--
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:08 PM
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20. during the evening news I changed the channel every time they played those clips.
It was embarrassing,
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:21 PM
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32. Can you imagine....
FDR

HST

or

JFK

acting like they did?
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:16 PM
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34. Yes, if they were faced repeatedly with the accusations of voter
fraud, & all that stink about the 2 states that Hillary won. BO's persona has sure changed. He's not the nice
mature smart man I thought he was. He acts like a whinny teenager.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:16 PM
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35. Yes, if they were faced repeatedly with the accusations of voter
fraud, & all that stink about the 2 states that Hillary won. BO's persona has sure changed. He's not the nice
mature smart man I thought he was. He acts like a whinny teenager.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:09 PM
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21. Watercooler talk was all laughter about them
Boobs.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:17 PM
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29. oh for heaven's sake. Buck up--this is the primaries.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:20 PM
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31. This was the BEST debate so far.
It was all out no holds barred knockdown fight. Usually i doze off
during the debates. Not yesterday!

If they don't bring all the shit out into open now, the repugs surely
will, so I rather have it vetted before nomnation.

That was our problem with Kerry. He never was vetted. I don't even remember
Kerry and Dean debating the hell out of each other.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:52 PM
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33. I doubt that too many people switched off...
People love this kind of stuff -- it's almost like reality teevee.

(I agree with you, though. I thought some of the bickering was fairly petty.)
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:41 PM
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36. Kicked!!
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:00 AM
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37. And why was it necessary to go there? Because of the Clintons
and their lies (and of course Edwards sure doesn't have any problem with distorting the truth - but what can you expect from a guy who waited to apologize for his war vote until support for the war plummeted).

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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:08 AM
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39. what it tells folks....now think on this, there is a woman up there
running to be president and she is giving back better then she is getting, and folks stuff like that lays on folks mind and lets them know she is a fighter as she said she would be.....

obama thought he was going up against the little old lady from pasadena but he ran his as into RAGING BULL
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:17 AM
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40. Actually, I though Obama came off fairly well. Hillary- not so well.
Edwards, said the only thing he really could say.
Actually, the entire CNN debate was bad. The questions were awful and the format bad.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:22 AM
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41. I can say that of the two, Obama was not as bad as Clinton
Hillary was off-the-chart offensive to me whereas Obama was merely offensive.
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