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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:22 PM
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OUCH: Florida Poll: Clinton 59% Obama 21% Edwards 14%
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_arg_florida_primary.php
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:23 PM
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1. As if it matters...
:hi:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:29 PM
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13. It does matter.
Even if the delegates never get seated. The MSM announcing a win in Florida for Hillary, especially if it is a BIG win, will matter a lot.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:34 PM
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18. Isn't Obama now running ads there?
I don't remember the details but he claims to have gotten permission from the DNC to run ads or campaign there.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:41 PM
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19. Yup. As far as I know they are still running.
The DNC says they had nothing to do with it...and didn't approve. The approval, I think, was from a woman from SC who was involved with the original pledge.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:09 PM
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22. why would Obama spend money there if it didn't matter?
;)
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:00 AM
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38. He's not spending money in Florida. Nice try.
It's a national ad buy on CNN.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:24 PM
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2. Are you going to dig up every freakin poll you can find on every freakin state in the union? Why
don't you engage in some discussion and debate instead of posting endless threads, one after the other, which only serve to divide us and the party?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:32 PM
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17. No fucking kidding
The OP has no interest in creating positive energy and making the world a better place. It's as if I am back in Kindergarten with a bunch of snotty nosed kids yelling "But papa, I want an UMPA LUMPA NOW!!!." And, my candidate can beat your candidate up because she is winning this Florida poll by 20 points! So there! :banghead:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:03 AM
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26. You mean like this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4165149&mesg_id=4165149

You are so fucking predictable. :eyes:
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:55 AM
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36. DO be careful.
The Obama Supporters are alerting like mad, and it's being taken seriously.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:25 PM
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3. And I can bring out a poll that shows it with a 20 point lead or less.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:03 AM
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27. But will it be believed coming from someone who is "disingenuous"?
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randymaine Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:25 PM
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4. Florida doesn't matter. It contributes zero delegates to the count n/t
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:27 PM
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8. Everything matters. NT
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randymaine Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:29 PM
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11. except for Florida n/t
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:32 PM
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16. We'll see. Both Clintons know more about running winning elections than most
of us could ever dream of knowing.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:47 AM
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31. except when it comes to OTHER Democrats. The Clintons are only good at getting themselves elected
they could give a shit about any other Democrats running or in office.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:53 AM
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24. It will matter to the M$M spin machine. {nt}
uguu
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:26 PM
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5. oof
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:26 PM
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6. Another Hillary "win" that doesn't net her any delegates
Yay?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:27 PM
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7. Hill's numbers may go down in FL if she does poorly in SC.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 10:27 PM by Dr Fate
Considering that some primary voters still choose her based on perceived elect-ability/inevitability alone.
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randymaine Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:28 PM
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10. Well, her NH numbers didn't go down after Iowa
...and Obama's numbers won't go down in SC after losing in Nevada...
so I'd like you to explain the momentum theory and why it will only apply in the SC/FL case.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:43 PM
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20. If I am right, it might be due to more people paying attention at this point.
n/t
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:44 AM
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29. Her poll numbers did go down in NH...just not enough.
She was up 10-15 points before Iowa.
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:29 PM
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12. half the vote in florida is absentee/early vote
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 10:30 PM by Herman Munster
and the florida primary will only be 3 days after south carolina so half the vote will be baked into the cake before any results from south carolina are known.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:48 PM
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21. If you are right about it being 50%-then good point. But that still leaves another 50%.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 10:50 PM by Dr Fate
My guess is that even if she wins FL, it would not be by the lead reflected in that poll.

The one thing I am certain about is that nothing is certain. She has had to work harder and adjust her approach since Iowa- I think that is good for her and us- the "inevitibility" thing was not good for anyone.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:28 PM
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9. Obama third with white voters at 15% and 61 points behind among Hispanics
This is more evidence of the racial fallout from a week ago.

Blacks: 75%, Hillary 19%
Whites: Hillary 63%, Edwards 17%, Obama 15%
Hispanics: Hillary 72%, Obama 11%, Edwards 9%
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:30 PM
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14. Guess those 0 delegates are a lock.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:30 PM
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15. It ain't bad enough I live here to begin with
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:51 AM
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23. This is Obama's problem and he knows it

If he takes SC marginally on the 26th, but its short lived the story will be Hillary taking Florida by a massive wide margin on the 29th, 3 days later.

Momentum stopped dead and Florida is a big deal come Nov 5th, That will make a lot of people sit up and notice.

I think we forgot about this, you may say it doesnt count but if Hillary takes it convincingly, and all signs show she will. The perception going into ST will be Hillary took Florida by a mile and SC will be forgotten.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:51 AM
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33. How is the story going to be about a state with no delegates where nobody campaigned?
Use your head.
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:56 AM
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25. Why does Florida fear hope?
That's not an exaggeration of actual Obamite posts. They post creepy cultist stuff like that all the time.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:49 AM
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32. Would you give us a link to some examples of such "cultist stuff"?
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:57 AM
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37. Be VERY CARELFUL.
The alerts are flying like bats in a cave. Guess why.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:09 AM
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28. Lot of New Yorkers.
So says Rudy911.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:46 AM
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30. Man, Hillary is frigging awesome at winning states where her opponents aren't campaigning n/t
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:54 AM
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35. Did the MSM mention Hillary's win in Michigan outside of a footnote? No
Why post polls to states that won't matter for the Convention just to bash Obama...because that's what this is really about.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:52 AM
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34. She was way ahead in SC too
at one time. Now she's not. The election isn't tomorrow.
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