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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:28 PM
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So What is the Official Status With Regards to Delegates & the Florida Primary?
What is established regarding Florida's primary and allotting of delegates to the national convention?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:30 PM
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1. They get sqwat.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:32 PM
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2. FL broke the rules... No delegates.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:35 PM
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3. Michigan and Florida can appeal to the Convention's Credentials Committee
to get their delegates seated. The Credentials Committee will go along with DNC and deny the appeal. At that point in time, Michigan and Florida can take the fight to the Convention floor and ask the convention delegates to vote to seat Michigan and Florida. I'll say a 50-50 chance they will win.

I think that this is a fight that Michigan and Florida can win. There is a lot a bad feelings about the current process of having Iowa and New Hampshire always being first.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:39 PM
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5. Also...it would be a bad idea to deliberately anger 2 large states
before the general election.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:42 PM
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6. I don't support Hillary, but I would support her on this issue
I have posted several times that the DNC was wrong in suppressing the votes of Democrats in FL and MI. The DNC should have stripped the super delegates as punishment, but allow the voters to vote for their delegates.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:14 AM
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7. I agree. Stripping the super delegates would have been a good solution.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 12:15 AM by wlucinda
I never even thought about options they might have considered. I do understand that the DNC needed to do something... but I think they made a bad choice.

Someone posted recently that, in one of the two states, the state party officials acted against the desire of the local leadership levels. I think it was in Michigan. The local DU'er said that they would have never put their delegates in jeapordy and that they'd been over-run by the state officers.

It just strikes me as monumentally stupid to disenfranchise voters at any time. And especially right before a critical election. Hopefully the Conyers' push to get uncommitted votes in Michigan which can be used for uncommitted delegates will be acceptable to Obama and Edwards.




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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:32 AM
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8. It's not democratic to have three states pick the candidate
when they don't represent the real population of other states and their interests. The DLC had to know that and that's why they did it to avoid the political chaos in those states. They negated the votes of the party members just like the Supreme Court did in 2000.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:34 AM
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9. It bugs me too as a resident of Illinois.
They don't care what I want or even wonder around my town to see what we think. It is outrageous.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:37 PM
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4. Officailly zip. But I doubt that they won't be seated.
The push to vote uncommitted in Michgan also leads me to believe that they will be recognized.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:38 AM
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10. A lot of Democrats in Florida are pissed...
Nobody asked the voters if Florida should move the primary date up. Why should the voters of Florida be disenfranchised.

Suppose the race between the Democratic candidates is close enough that Florida's primary vote might make the difference. Some Democratic voters in Florida might decide not to vote in the general election. Could this end up delivering Florida's delegates to the Electoral College to the Republican candidate and maybe decide the election.

Sure, the Democratic Party might decide to count the Florida vote at he convention, but a lot of voters have already decided not to vote in the primary. Would the primary vote then actually represent the views of Florida?

To add insult to injury, the Republicans count:

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/05/09/State/Dems__primary_may_not.shtml

Seems to me overall it's a bad plan to ignore the Florida Democratic vote.

But there has been one advantage. We haven't had to listen to endless Democratic commercials on TV.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:31 PM
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11. Florida residents should be angry
they've been victims of fraud and lies since 2000 by both parties. It is because they are a large electoral vote state. So is Michigan. Is that enough to lose control of the issues and candidate at the Democratic Convention? Yet bet. Once again like in the primary the large states have no say.

I hope the delegates regardless of candidate set things straight this year.
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