I Absolutely Can't Stand Hillary !

Just thought I'd weigh in, since the "I can't stand Obama" thread seems to be the most rec'd and responded to post on DU. Just goes to show you... one man's opinion is another man's....???? If you think this place and the Obama thread is DISGUSTING, please rec this thread.

hilay anywhere near me.

win the democratic nomination for president and then stay with us as she becomes the 44th president of the United States who just happens to be a woman... Come on board.....

thought that the problems of the freakin WORLD would be solved only by having a woman as leader/ruler of the free world. But Hillary Clinton is not *that* woman. She has not proven herself to be honest, or forthright, or pacifist, or anything near the stature and personality of the charismatic woman leaders the world has known to-date. Another woman, yes. This woman, no. It is not worth sacrificing American for gender.

Woman, black, Hey - I could vote for a BLACK WOMAN for president if she were the best one for the job. Really, I could! But lets drop the gender and race factors (non-factors really) and just go with who's offering the best deal. There's only ONE who's not taking money from special interests. Money that comes with an unspoken IOU attached.
Those IOUs are gonna be redeemed eventually. Will they be redeemed on YOUR behalf or on the behalf of some corporation that wants a break that'll ultimately affect YOU and probably not in a positive way.
So - no colors, no sexual slant - who'd work for corporate America, and who'd work for Americans???

you should check out the shirley chisholm documentary sometime ! i know Netflix has it. WHAT A LADY!!!

That's for sure. Sadly, there was no long buildup to her run and the nation just wasn't ready for her (a black gal) at that point.

I could vote for Barack or Hillary in a heartbeat if their pockets weren't stuff with corporate IOUs. :(

you are correct to consider that non-Hillary supporters can at least be enthusiastic about the historic impact of her gender.

that is very important to me as well, it is non-trivial. it isn't enough for me to be a supporter of hillary of course, given her positions, unsavory connections, uninspiring record and some very ugly campaigning - not to mention my deep fears that the repugnican attack machine totally has her number.

but thank you for reminding us of that important point. i hope her candidacy is making many women around the country get newly excited about politics again - we are in desperate need of their energy.

honest, or forthright, or pacifist, or anything near the stature and personality of the charismatic woman leaders the world has known ?

Golda Miuer
Indera Gandi
Maggie Thatcher

nope must be some others I don't know about, I think Hill fits right in with these leaders, Ms. Maggie T and her might be on the same team.

For whom Clinton will be beholding to. If you really want change you have to vote for it.

could be a real candidate? Ask Kucinich...the system is so screwed up right now that we need a slightly greasy wheel to slip past the guards, IMO.

They all have strengths and weaknesses. While I am not happy with the continuation of the corporate rule and the overbearing WILL of the corporate state, Hillary will do for now. So will Obama, so will Edwards.

You couldn't shove a republican down my throat with a 2x4 and a tub of Iraqi Oil...

Peace.

After Carly Fiorini screwed Hewlett Packard, and there are plenty of other females who got to a certain level on the executive ladder and started acting like the men toward everyone including subordinates, gender is not an appropriate reason to cast my vote for someone. Policy, competence and track record are. Hillary sleeping with the former POTUS doesn't equal experience as an executive in charge of the free world.

just doesn't do it for me. In fact, if Hillary is the nominee, I'll be writing in a Democrat that shares my values.

You're without question the worst prognosticator at DU.
If your record continues, Obama's nomination is a done deal.
There will be a woman president some day, but it doesn't have to be THIS woman.

A black man or a woman --> both would be historic.

I am sorry that the first woman with a chance at the nomination has to be so wrong on so many issues.

And I am also sorry that I care about liberal and progressive issues too much to support her candidacy.

it's always confused me, this hatred towards her. She's really not much (if at all) different than most democrats out there.

is that she twists and turns and spins. I would never know if she was telling the truth or telling a lie.

And it is beginning to seem as though we will have some sort of dual presidency. A *double-headed monster,* as one of the pundits said today.

That is part of the price we pay if we elect Hillary. We will never be able to really believe a word she says. Because we know what she is capable of on the big things, we cannot even trust any of the small things.

Hillary is like buying a used car....you go to the lot, looking for a model that has caught your eye. Y0u are met by a sleazy saleswoman with a certain amount of charm and a lot of arrogance and condescension....and you really want that car! So the saleswoman tells you she is "in it to win" all the sales awards. This sounds a bit wierd but you really like the car! The saleswoman says she has lots of experience...actually she has been into auto sales for a few years but her husband has been the an accomplished car salesman for years, and she says it is in her blood. OK the guy fibs a lot. He's a salesman!

You bring up that you are also considering another model in a dealership across town, in a black neighborhood, one that brags on a different, no-pressure approach. The saleswoman makes some comment about buying cars from Muslims. She says although good sales pitches are ok, it takes a professional car salesman to do the job. She makes pointed references that the other dealership is in a fantasy world, is new, would be a good dealer some day but is not up to speed yet....give them a few years.

The DEALER ACROSS TOWN is asked if it ever sold a lemon car....and THEY said TheY could not guarantee that there never was a lemon sold, but that TheY ARE opposed to sleazy tactics and would back up with a satisfaction guarantee any purchase. So the saleswoman deftly says that the other dealership doesn't know if it sells you a lemon!..... Leaving out, of course, any mention of the guarantee.

So you buy the car. It sputters about 5 weeks later. Anti-freeze mixing with oil. Bad Head gasget problem. Major overhaul needed. So you go back to the saleswoman. She says.....hey, you elected me in 08, and you will be so stupid you will probably buy another used car from me in 12! What do you want me to do, it's your car. See ya....

great enthusiasm and exictement. (I always had a crush on Bill and thought he was the greatest President that America would ever know!). This is partly the reason I found DU. After watching the negative attacks on Obama (whom I did not favor and was not leaning toward) I became extremely DISENCHANTED. I saw my party, my beautiful democratic party, being divided by attacks from my beloved former president and his wife ! Call me naieve, but I could not comprehend it.

I still cannot. I still cannot believe these Clintons, whom I campaigned for and fought for and believe in, have turned into the nasty harbingers of vile attacks and possibly the destruction of the democratic party. Its not hatred of Hillary.. its everything she has this time brought with her to the table, and everything she takes away.

That's all :-)

hillary clinton. my my my, what a lady, seriously one of a kind.

people change. i am seeing clinton and obama supporters hurt each other so much. i love all of the supporters of democratic candidates. i wish i could say the same about the new faces presented by obama and clinton.

obama and clinton are moving to the RIGHT,
edwards is moving to the LEFT.

do you support your candidate because they believe in what you believe? you should re-examine your candidates and see if what they're saying now maps onto your belief system.

after what obama has said about his willingness to engage IRAN and keep PERMANENT bases in Iraq, i must openly wonder at any Obama supporter who claims to be a pacifist or that Obama's anti-war stance in Iraq back in 2002 is still sufficient for your support. is there kool-aid involved?

i'm sorry, it seems ridiculous to me to be sparring with pacifists. I have not heard Edwards say word one about the need to launch missiles into Iran. His stance on Iraq is CLEARLY ANTI-OCCUPATION. It is clear to me that pacifists should support this agenda. If such pacifists are Obama supporters, the onus is on THEM to get in touch with their candidate and urge him to adopt Edwards' agenda and attitude towards the further use of the US military in this diabolical fashion. OR ELSE, WHAT THE HELL KIND OF PACIFIST ARE YOU?!?!

apparently

Hate makes people stupid

not intelligent reasoning.

to make progress. I believe in moving forward with fresh ideas and a different outlook.
The Clinton's are the past. I thought for a while that perhaps Senator Clinton would be different, but I don't even hold out hope any longer.
They had their shot. They put the American public through a lot. Yes, they gave us a good economy- for a while- but we also had a lot of division, grief and unethical activities to deal with too. They should be remembered and respected as part of the past. Reelecting them will never bring those good times back. Reelecting the Clinton's would be a mistake for this county and for the Clinton's also. Already many have lost a lot of respect for Mr. Clinton- it will only get worse. He needs to retire and she needs to go back to the senate.

with Hillary in she will be unstoppable! One thing I know about the Clintons' is, they know how to win elections and they know how to get things done!

I am happy to see that time has somewhat sofened your position on the Clintons' though.

There will be big changes, but more importantly, effective change not just rhetoric.

Whomever is elected as our dem president, the RW will try to destroy, but I have confidence that the Clintons' can handle whatever may come........

:Senator from India, takes millions from 1999 to present from India business leaders, Bill got 3.3 million in consulting money from one and Hillary took in tons too, and all that time she watched American jobs in the tech sector die. What some will do for power is horrifying. Worse Californians will vote for her anyway. I am voting for Edwards or Obama.

Yes. I do

Not that you'd know it around here sometimes.

;)

If it's the latter, I suspect that you're about to get plenty.

I've seen it.

As in 'V'.












OK. I feel really old now.

i am worried the repugnicans have the "red dust" and will force her back onto her city-sized spaceship.

actually V was a huge influence on me. i have never forgotten the metaphor of aliens claiming that "we are your friends" while literally harvesting people for meat. the same theme was repeated in the Matrix. and more recently in US military recruiting tactics.

i still have NO IDEA what a hillary clinton presidency would bring to America. i guess i will go to her website sometime, but she has done a very poor job of articulating exactly why she should be President in the coverage i have seen (and my goodness is there a lot of coverage).

-s

ooh la la

proves we should be able to hit a button to "un-recommend" a thread. If we could, that thread would never have gotten near that high and might have ended up with negative votes. I say this as an Edwards supporter.

HRC and minions. :hi: :woohoo: :toast:

Hard for me to believe that some didnt get it

thing about 2 hours ago..it was in GD and when I saw it I responded but then things got consolidated and here it was in our face. Thanks so much for writing a caption some of the others of us can relate to, K!

So there.

:)

turned her back on New Yorkers who pleaded with her not to vote yes on the IWR and since the campaign started getting dirty after Obama's polls started rising..well, Karen Russell puts it well..

DJ13 (401 posts) Tue Jan-22-08 11:29 PM
Response to Original message
10. Zip It, Bill!
Karen Russell
Tue Jan 22, 10:50 AM ET

Senator Obama nailed it during the South Carolina debate when he mentioned Bill Clinton, "I can't tell who I'm running against sometimes."

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/huffpost/cm_huffpost/s... /*http://hillaryattacks.barackobama.com /
Don't get me wrong. I love Bill Clinton. I always have. I hope I always will. But lately, not so much.

In the '90s President Clinton's slickness was just sad and creepy. I remember "slick" Clinton when he fibbed that he "didn't inhale". I cringed when Clinton wagged his finger at America insisting that he did not "have sexual relations with that woman." I was downright embarrassed when, with a straight-face, Clinton declared "that depends on the definition of what "is" is.

Well, "slick" Clinton is back. Frankly, I'm disappointed.

Before Iowa, "Hillary the Inevitable" had the numbers, the machine and the name on her side in this race. Despite being the clear and unequivocal underdog, Obama built a grassroots campaign, brought in independents and got disillusioned Republicans to cross the aisle.

Obama starting gaining ground and closing the gap. That's when the "fun" started. That's when Hillary told reporters about her plans to attack Obama.

For months, we saw "the inevitable frontrunner" running a tight and disciplined campaign. Then as Obama rose in the polls, suddenly Hillary and her surrogates started dropping a series of "misunderstood" slurs. They fit a familiar pattern, "smear, play dumb, own up and apologize". Rinse, lather and repeat.

We are supposed to believe that as Obama gained ground on Clinton that it's just mere coincidence that Clinton surrogates painted Obama as a risky "shucking and jiving", "roll of the dice", "cocaine-loving", "drug-dealing", ";Reagan-loving", "closet-Muslim" , "fairytale-living", "establishment", "less black than President Clinton" "rookie"?

We are supposed to believe that these are isolated "mistakes". Remember these are the people who went after Senator Obama's kindergarten record and then tried play it off as a joke.

Now it appears that "Trasher-in-Chief" Bill is in charge of keeping the "fun" going. Apparently, the Clinton campaign figured out that having Hillary taking the cheap shots at her opponents made her less "likable".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-russell/zip-it-bill_b_82590.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4164573

cause I realized it was more than four paragraphs that were brought over so I trimmed it on this..but the links work for anyone who wants this whole shmelarily thing in a nut shell with thanks to Karen Russell on Huff post.

"Zip It bill"..

:patriot:

:nuke:

My sanity remains on account of Kucinich.

And I like waht Edwards says. Hoping I can trust in him.

that he's made out to be 'too far left' and keeps getting stifled. He's what the dems used to be. Edwards is my second choice and I'd trust him a million miles farther than obama or billary.

Kooch in the debates.

Apparently, Kucinich is saying that the banks need to be held accountable for what they have done to the small time borrower.

Whereas O, H & E merely wring their hands and say how awful it must be to face bankruptcy or tremendous student loans debt or credit card hell.

Not good enough. Kucinich makes All the Powers That be squirm, and I am grateful that my husband keeps better track of it than I do. (But then, he has bit of a crush on Elizabeth Kucinich)

or responsible for their screw ups. When did the people of this country get so infantile. "he-made-me it-wasn't-my-fault i-didn't-do-it-she-did". America: country populated with first graders.

that I can't stand! All 3 of "The Big 3 Candidates" - all of which I like, by the way - are capabale competent politicians. Is HRC as liberal as many would prefer her to be? Nope, but neither is Obama. And even Edwards isn't as liberal as Kucinich. The media doesn't help when it marginalizes candidates like Edwards and Kucinich. I think those who choose to withhold their vote from the DEMOCRATIC nominee, are childish. If you truly believe the drivel that gets spewed from your keyboards - and most of it is aimed at HRC - then you're completely diluted. And for the record, Clinton & Edwards voting records are similar, as are Clinton's and Obama's. I say this, knowing full-well that you won't, but...

grow up, people. You're worse than Freepers!

hrc and obama are at each other's throats avoiding the issues ate all costs. Edwards and Kucinich are quietly powerful and above the fray. I want to hear about solving problems not how to tear down you rivals. f-a-doodle-do.

n/t

:hi:

A vast improvement, in my opinion.

"I can't stand" threads should never reach the top of the Greatest Page, IMO.

And I don't care much for Obama these days. That said, I still think he's a heck of a lot better than any Repug.

she is like nails on chalkboard

I really can't, either, but try not to post negative things too often. However, I alerted on that thread as flamebait, and it stood, so this one should, too.

And if you read the responses, it wasn't a "joke". It WAS disgusting.

My vote won't mean that much but I cannot stand what Bill and Hill are doing to Obama. It is disgusting!!!!!!!!:argh:

I think it's only a some people who make it seem that way.

And in case you haven't noticed, there are other threads, just as vile, aimed at all the candidates, so...

*sigh*

wording on my part but by the time I realized it, too late to edit ! Sorry :-)

I dunno... but I'll try. :hi:


Hah, no... it's not! :D

Thanks for this...

I can't barely stand her either.

Those two candidates aren't all that far apart.

worse by the day. I'm sick about this entire election.

It's very depressing.

My mind is just about made up. Between the Hillary and Bill show, AND all the conservative Bullshit emails going around about Barack Obama, I might as well vote for him.


Dap

First, I love that the very, very far right can not stand her.

Second, she drove hair styles, salons, and "the look" for 10 years. Nobody ever said they wanted to look like Babs

Third, she took on the far right idiots in 93-94. She lost because the idea was ahead of its time. What would the same people who called her a communist say now that they are really hurting because of our pseudo-capitalistic health-care system?

Forth, she stayed with her husband after he had an affair. There is no clause in any marriage vows that I have seen that allow for an "escape hatch" in case someone is not faithful. "For better or worse, for richer & poorer, sickness & health, etc."

Fifth, she is a woman that people listen to. The same assholes complain that she is shrill, even calling her Chillery. I think that she is strong, opinionated (ummm that is a plus in these last 8 years of absolute bullshit.) I want someone who is going to make something about this absolute shit that we are all finally starting to see.

Sixth, she may not be perfect, but she is human. She honestly has nothing to gain from this moment in time but to be the Lady that fixes all that has gone really, really wrong in the last 7 years.

Seventh, I trust her. Rome was not built in a day. Hillary Clinton has a vision and the character to lead on issues that we find important. Climate change is going to be a big deal in the next 10-20 years. The next President will nominate the next 2 or 3 Supreme Court justices. Bill Clinton put the most qualified, responsible, and intelligent nominees on the Bench. Breyer & Ginsburg have been a lifeline to the people who really understand what we are really about.

Finally, seriously...This is freaking Hillary Clinton. I never thought that she would try to run the asylum... But I am glad she is here.

Dennis Kucinich's message.

When I get the feeling that she would actually take on a progressive value or two. (though to actually save this country she needs to take on a whole lot more.)

When I can think of a reason to vote for her in the GE other than the sad damn fact that otherwise it will be Huckabee or McCain.

Then you can count me with you.


Corporate America has taken ahold of this country - how awful is it that to avoid a RW religious nut running the show, or a brainwashed militarist, we have to vote for their gal pal Hillary and get the policies that her chumming up to that Corporate money ensures, Yeesh!

and said ..ohhh noo for Edwards..she said..real nasty might i add..she is voting for Hillary..because she can't win!!

( yes she was a republican..a rude one no less..) but it seems the repugs have a plan down here!!

fly..volunteering for John Edwards..in SC..