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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:09 AM
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I have seen a narrative begin to emerge tonight: The Clinton's are hurting the party
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 01:13 AM by Quixote1818
Tom Dashiell:

Daschle faults Bill Clinton's criticisms

"This is the same kind of tactic that Washington uses quite frequently," Daschle said. "I think it destroys the party. Ultimately, it divides us."

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/177125,daschle-faults-bill-clintons-criticisms.html



Maureen Dowd:

The Clinton's — or “the 2-headed monster,” as The New York Post dubbed the tag team that clawed out wins in New Hampshire and Nevada — always go where they need to go, no matter the collateral damage. Even if the damage is to themselves and their party.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/opinion/23dowd.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Mike Papantonio:


http://www.goleft.tv/viewer.asp?v=928&c=1


DUers: Hillary's strategy: Either I get the nom, or we ALL go down in flames

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4164573&mesg_id=4164573
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:17 AM
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1. I hope the word spreads across the US
about what the clintons are blatantly trying to do..

I didn't hear Mike Papantonio cause I didn't want to download that now but this is the blurb from GoLefttv..
"Mike Papantonio of GoLeft TV and Air America's Ring of Fire talks about how Hillary Clinton's campaign has adopted the race-baiting tactics of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove."

Enough people complain they will stop but before how much damage is done and will they stop if Obama goes ahead?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:21 AM
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6. I remember being stunned at what Bush and Rove did to McCain in SC

And now seeing the same kind of thing from people in our own party!!!! :grr: I am completely disgusted!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:29 AM
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13. And so it turns out are quite a few
people who are leaders and paying attention so it's not just our freakin' imagination.

Ted Kennedy can be added to your list only it wasn't today..however far back that Newsweek article was..I'm sure there's more across the country..we just don't know yet.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:17 AM
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2. It's the latest theme. The one about Hillary having to drop out after
Obama's wave in NH was pretty good too.
The Clintons have suffered bigger fools than Dashiell
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:18 AM
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15. I saw plenty of strong-arming
from the Obama people here in Illinois. It started long before the primary season here. He is considered the favorite son, and they wanted "everyone" on board with early endorsements.

Not everyone liked it or went along with it.

Some people have short memories. I remember how Obama's campaign mishandled the kid who built up the Myspace page of supporters for him. Of course they were right to want some sort of control over the thing, but it was done in such a high-handed, amateur manner.

There are two sides to any of this. And some of it is politics as usual, a shocking idea to DU purists.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:18 AM
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3. if it depresses black tunout in the general election then it will hurt the party
if Hillary is the nominee.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:18 AM
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4. It's true. She's hurting the party with her attacks.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:20 AM
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5. Maureen Dowd...
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 01:21 AM by MetricSystem
is the furthest thing from an objective source when it comes to the Clintons, or Bush, or Gore, or Kerry. Really, she attacks everyone, although she has always reserved her most vicious attacks for the Clintons (dating back to the 90s).
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:22 AM
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8. So? If what she writes is true does
that make it any less true, except in a hilary mind, of course?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:24 AM
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10. She attacks Bush 10000000 times worse than the Clinton's
Ever think that perhaps the Clinton's deserve some criticism? Just because there is a D in front of a name doesn't mean they can't be criticized.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:18 AM
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23. MoDo has never found anything nice to say about either Clinton,at any time.
She's a dyed-in-the-wool, Chris Matthews level, Clinton hater.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:22 AM
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7. Screw the party......
they are hurting me.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:23 AM
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9. Hurting the party and KILLING this country. They are like toxic poison.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:25 AM
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11. "I never even mentioned Ronald Reagan!"
:eyes:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:26 AM
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12. From where I sit they're not hurting the party
But during their tenure in the driver's seat, the party structure atrophied. They were the opposite of the 50-state strategy, from what I hear. Get yourself elected, but don't worry about bringing the rest of the party with you.

No wonder they don't like Dean or his strategy.
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Caseman Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:34 AM
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14. I don't know what scares me worse...
...the Clintons or the drones that follow them...
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muyojoe Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:11 AM
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19. INSTULTS WILL WIN THEM OVER
You'll win them over, nothing like calling people names to win their hearts and minds.
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NJObamaWoman Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:21 AM
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16. They are dividing this party. Gutter politics will hurt this party and
hurt BC's legacy amongst many.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:01 AM
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17. Both the Clintons and Obama have been really aggressive and nasty.
Edwards has been a gentleman throughout the campaign. Yet, Hillary and Obama are way ahead. Maybe Americans like nasty leaders. After all, they elected Bush who is nasty as can be rather than Gore or Kerry both of whom are kind, gentle souls.

America will probably get what it deserves.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:03 AM
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18. And you always buy into MSM memes unquestioningly?
Did you think Iraq was responsible for 9/11 too?
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:08 AM
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20. yep; the irrational bashing is transparent, so it backfires, just like it did in the 90s. nt
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:12 AM
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21. It`s a Karl Rove thing....
Win at all cost.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:17 AM
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22. Clinton is the only Dem candidate not supporting the VoteBuilder database
--which is key to an effective ongoing 50-state strategy in which first-time candidates don't have to reinvent the wheel.

That ought to tell you something.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:51 PM
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24. "Leading Democrats to bill clinton"
"Prominent Democrats are upset with the aggressive role that Bill Clinton is playing in the 2008 campaign, a role they believe is inappropriate for a former president and the titular head of the Democratic Party. In recent weeks, Sen. Edward Kennedy and Rep. Rahm Emanuel, both currently neutral in the Democratic contest, have told their old friend heatedly on the phone that he needs to change his tone and stop attacking Sen. Barack Obama, according to two sources familiar with the conversations who asked for anonymity because of their sensitive nature. Clinton, Kennedy and Emanuel all declined to comment."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/96385

Black leader to Bill Clinton: 'Chill' on ObamaStory Highlights
Bill Clinton increasingly attacking Barack Obama on campaign trail

Obama says former president is distorting his record

Rep. Jim Clyburn says Bill Clinton should tone down rhetoric on behalf of wife

South Carolina Democrats hold crucial primary Saturday

Next Article in Politics »

"House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, one of the most powerful African-Americans in Congress, weighed in on the feud Monday, saying it was time for Bill Clinton to watch his words.

Bill Clinton has delivered full-throated attacks on Obama in recent days, accusing him of overstating his opposition to the war in Ircomplaining about Obama's union supporters in the Nevada caucuses last weekend and blasting his relatively mild praise for Republican icon Ronald Reagan during a Las Vegas newspaper interview."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/clyburn-to-bill-clinton-_n_82642.html
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:53 PM
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25. Hm. Who should I believe? The Democratic Party or Maureen Dowd?
What a wrenching choice.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:00 PM
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26. It's pretty darn funny to hear DUers accusing anyone of hurting the Democratic party.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 02:01 PM by Perry Logan
Isn't badmouthing Democratic leaders the main activity around here?
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:35 PM
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27. "Either I get the nom, or we ALL go down in flames" . . .
there does seem to be something of a scorched earth tone in her campaigning . . . she seems to have a sense of entitlement that is disturbing, to say the least . . . although Obama isn't much better . . .

yet again, a choice between the lesser of two evils . . . which is one reason (among many) I'm supporting John Edwards . . .
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