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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:45 AM
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Hillary Clinton Supports Out-Of-State Indian Nation Casinos, Obama Opposed to Expansion of Gambling
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 10:47 AM by Dems Will Win
This is turning out to be a huge deal in my area. Clinton actually supports out-of-state Indian Nations being allowed to make new tribal lands, sovereign territories in states where they lived hundreds of years ago, and on dubious claims. The Interior Secy has just rejected repealing the rule against it, but clearly Hillary as President might pay off her gambling industry supporters and get that rule changed. Then casinos could go in many, many more states and place that don't have them now.

There are large, well organized whole communities and political machines allied against Casinos in the Catskills. Greene, Ulster, Sullivan and parts of Dutchess Counties are affected by this issue and the newspapers are on top of it.

Spitzer has approved casinos in the Catskills but no one had any idea Hillary did too. Clinton is a supporter and people are furious with Spitzer on this issue and now we find out Hillary is a supporter of casinos as well. The anti-casino groups here in the Hudson Valley feel like Hillary has stabbed them in the back on this. This email os going around:


Clinton is for Casinos in the Catskills and Obama is Against the Expansion of Gambling



Senator Clinton has long supported developer efforts to put Indian gaming casinos in the Catskills. Nevada-based Empire Resorts, which would operate the proposed Sullivan County casino in partnership with the out-of-state St. Regis Mohawk Tribe, lists Hillary as a supporter of Catskill gambling on their Web site.



http://www.empireresorts.com/index.php?id=44#c145

Clinton has said that casinos are an "economic development tool" and said that "for many places in the country, it seems to be an important part of what they are trying to do to revive and maintain an economic base." In her first campaign for Senate, Hillary supported Indian gaming in the Catskills and Upstate.

When asked by the LA Times on January 18th about the social costs of gambling (like wrecking middle class families and tripling local bankruptcy rates), Clinton replied, "Any human activity has social costs, really," she said, adding later: "Life is filled with trade-offs, and you have to do the best you can to balance the pluses and the minuses."

Mrs. Clinton’s big gaming industry fundraisers include the senior executives of Harrahs, Jan Jones and Philip Satre.


In contrast, Senator Obama has never been in favor of the expansion of gambling, saying that the "moral and social cost of gambling, particularly in low-income communities, could be devastating." And, with casinos, "you'll have a whole bunch of people who can't afford it gambling their money away, yet they're going to do it." As a State Senator, Obama has opposed expanding all gambling projects in Illinois.

"There's a fundamental question here," said the Rev. Tom Grey, executive director of the National Coalition Against Legalized Gambling. "Until this point, Obama's statements seemed to suggest that he did not buy into the industry arguments that this is a product like golf or Starbucks that should just go on Main Street. And Hillary, by attacking him, seems to have come down clearly on the side of the industry that this is economic development." (LA TIMES - "Clinton Plays Gaming Card against Obama" Jan 18 2008)

ALSO FROM THE LA TIMES:

"Satre, former chairman and chief executive of Harrah's Entertainment, said he too would help raise money for Clinton. Obama, he said in an interview, "doesn't think gambling should expand. He thinks gambling has a moral and social corruption attached to it."

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-gambling18jan18,0,4330126.story


If you are opposed to casinos, please consider this information about the Presidential candidates on this issue when you vote in the Democratic Presidential Primary. And talk to your friends and neighbors. The next President could make the final decision on casinos coming into your area, using a new legal loophole for out-of-state Indian Nations.

PLEASE RECOMMEND IF YOU DON'T WANT A CASINO IN YOUR COUNTY
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:05 AM
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1. Candidate (Obama) accepts industry's money, still expresses concern
Dec. 23, 2007
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS: Obama's gaming give, take

Candidate accepts industry's money, still expresses concern

By MOLLY BALL
Snip>
As recently as 2003, Obama, then an Illinois state senator, said he believed the "moral and social cost of gambling" was potentially "devastating" and that using gaming as a source of revenue or for economic development was "irresponsible."

He didn't think Illinois legislators should accept political contributions from the gaming industry, and in 2004 and 2006 refused federal contributions from gaming companies.


Today, it's a different story: He's the U.S. Senate's No. 10 recipient of gaming donations, backed in Nevada by such industry insiders as Billy Vassiliadis and Elaine Wynn, and actively seeking the support of the gaming-dependent Culinary union.

Obama's campaign says there is no inconsistency because he believes states should regulate gambling. As an Illinois state senator, he objected to the way the state regulated the industry. In Nevada, he believes regulation has been done right. And as a federal lawmaker, he doesn't have an oversight role.

However, in simple terms, Obama was an antagonist of the gaming industry when he was an Illinois legislator. Now, as a federal lawmaker and presidential candidate, he is its friend, although it is a friendship on uneasy terms.

He is not the only candidate with a mixed record on the industry that, while frowned upon in churches, is the sine qua non of Nevada's economy.Snip<
http://www.lvrj.com/news/12785077.html


My question who is he and where does he stay on his own convictions? He seems to be John Kerry lite to me.

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:27 AM
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3. Letting the states have the power is good. Hillary wants to let out-of state Indian nations put a
casino in many many more states
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:35 AM
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4. Yes lets keep the Indian down, lets keep them in poverty.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:52 AM
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5. The traditionalist Native Americans HATE the casinos
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:07 PM
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6. This one does not nor his people in Cherokee, N.C.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:07 AM
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2. I am not automatically opposed to casinos. Gambling is a personal
choice a person makes, not unlike drinking. I would not hold this against Clinton. I do, however, have a problem with a politician using the old "moral and social cost" ploy to leverage the "faith" vote. That kind of thing always sets off alarms for me...
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